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My question (and apologies if it was already answered in this thread) is this, is the efficacy of the Realiser also, to some extent, headphone dependent? If so, is there any consensus on what cans are working better than others? Especially in the sealed category?
Also, if anyone lives in Los Angeles and wants to donate their amazing stereo (or surround) home or work systems for a quick measurement, I'd happily take you up on the offer, and bring over a #19 sandwich from Langers or a Godmother from Bay Cities if that's more your thing ...
First off... your suggestions for "audiophiles bringing gifts" gratuities are definitely terrific. Myself, I go for a #11 with lettuce and tomato and thousand island dressing at Langer's (along with a bowl of chicken noodle soup). And at Bay Cities I request a custom sandwich: Genoa salami and Parma prosciutto with provolone, "the works" but NO MUSTARD, mild peppers and some extra red wine vinegar though I don't fault those that request a Godmother.
As far as how to acquire a terrific Realiser measurement, consider your living in LA to be very lucky... in that you can just drive over to AIX. Really special multi-speaker 5.1/7.1 and also THX if you want it. If you do buy a Realiser, I'm sure you can arrange with Lorr to meet you at AIX to "conduct" a perfect calibration. You won't be sorry.
I'm still using the very first calibration I ever had done, at AIX by Lorr... after running into Mark Waldrep (of AIX) at the 2009 CanJam show at LAX. I have both 5.1 and 7.1 PRIR's, but use 5.1 99.999% of the time (as it works for HDTV as well as most BluRay movies that commonly come with 5.1 DTS-HDMA). I've acquired maybe four other PRIR's (though nothing recently), but honestly they're really just novelties compared to the AIX "sound" which is (for me, anyway) "simply perfection". No reverb or echo which I've found typical of other "rooms" and "theaters". Just perfect surround-sound, just like the room itself was
As far as the question about whether differences in the headphone/amp make any difference in the quality of the surround-sound illusion from the Realiser, I'd have to say absolutely. But my only experience is with Stax headphones and amps, which are "open" and electrostatic in nature. No experience at all with any other equipment, so I can't justifiably make related comments.
What is also true is that while I initially felt that the DAC built into the Realiser was genuinely high-quality and perfectly adequate to produce excellent sound results through headphones fed via RCA cables, I have now changed my position. Using a high-quality external DAC fed via optical from the Realiser, and feeding the headphone amp via XLR, produces a recognizably superior sound.
So, using the same AIX PRIR as my standard of reference but with different headphone/amp setups with corresponding unique HPEQ's, the relative rankings of the various combinations are consistent with price/specs just as you'd expect. And not surprisingly the entry level Stax equipment that is normally included with the Realiser is at the bottom. Just very "entry level", as they are when listening to standard 2-channel stereo music through them.
I've also used my 1995-vintage Stax SR-Omega headphones with matching SRM-T1S amp, along with my older SR-Lambda Pro headphones with the same amp. The Omega's were a joy to listen to (not to mention with improved comfort on the ears) and certainly provided superior sound (and virtual surround) over the Lambda's. In fact, the Omega/SRM-T1S was my equipment right up through early 2013, so I really do know exactly how they sound for lots of different source programs.
In late 2012 I decided to make some major new investments in equipment... all types. I view this as another once-every-20-years type of investment, so mentally I could "amortize" it that way. My old equipment was "re-purposed" to a second viewing/listening location. HDTV went from Sony 34XBR960 (CRT) to Panny 65VT50, calibrated by D-Nice... and is SPECTACULAR. Having something much larger and really gorgeous to look at makes the entire viewing/listening experience just that much more theatrical.
My Realiser went from serial #0001 (analog) unit to a second new HDMI-enabled unit. To feed the HDMI input to the Realiser I upgraded to an dual-HDMI-output Oppo BDP-103 (one of which goes direct to the Realiser's HDMI input) which also has two external HDMI inputs, one of which is now fed from my TWC/LA cable TV. This allows use of the Realiser with HDMI input for both BluRay movies as well as cable HDTV.
I also invested in an Audio-GD NFB-9 external DAC, fed optically from the new Realiser and feeding my new headphone amp via XLR. After about a year and a half of use, I have come to really LOVE the sound this produces. I now realize it is DEFINITELY superior to the built-in DAC in the Realiser, and produces fabulous results for anything I listen to (including 2-channel stereo CD-audio).
But to address your question again, it was my upgrade to a Stax SR-009 and SRM-007tII amp which really took Realiser listening to a new level. Using the same PRIR from AIX, and doing A/B/C comparisons with my three different headphones and two different amps (and corresponding HPEQ's) it's really just a different world from the SR-009. And the SR-Omega/SRM-T1S is superb, but can't compare to the SR-009/SRM-007tII. Really seems you're not wearing headphones and the virtual speaker surround sound has placed you in the AIX room. The sound of the SR-009 is just way outside of your head and is a remarkable experience.
I don't have any real loudspeakers in my house, so the Realiser and related equipment is (and will always be) as close as I can get to experiencing a listening environment like AIX. Hence how I've justified to myself the related one-time expense. My recommendation is not to try and save money by cutting corners, when the whole purpose of this investment is to provide long-term pleasure. In lieu of truly having loudspeakers, this is as close as I will ever be... and was worth it.