Little Dot Tube Amps: Vacuum Tube Rolling Guide
Jul 25, 2013 at 9:19 PM Post #2,071 of 13,432
Now that I have had a chance to listen to the CBS-Hytron 6AV6, I am quite surprised to report that to me it sounds indistinguishable from the RCA 6AV6. The reason I am so surprised is that it doesn't look like any RCA I have ever seen. Specifically, I have never seen an RCA with that little disc attached to the top of the diodes. The only other tube I have seen with this kind of construction is a Sylvania 6AQ6. However, the CBS doesn't look that much like the Sylvania and it doesn't sound the same.
 
That the CBS sounds like an RCA isn't bad as it is one of my favorite 6AV6. However, as I already have two pairs of these (one with black plates and one grey), as well as a pair of RCA 6AT6, I really don't need a fourth pair! lol
 

 
 

 

 
Jul 26, 2013 at 12:14 AM Post #2,072 of 13,432
After spending some time listening to the E91H with 2/7 I agree that its aggressive and forward a bit too much for me xD i'd recommend starting with 2/7 first though and if you feel fatigue you can go down to 1/7 strap.
 
Jul 26, 2013 at 2:05 PM Post #2,075 of 13,432
guys i might be planning to upgrade from a mkiii to a mkiv and david said i could get the SE version without the tubes which im prolly gonna take up, so if I want to get the 6N6P-IR does it have to be matched?
 
Jul 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM Post #2,077 of 13,432
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How much do you save without tubes?
 
There are not that many sources for the 6N6P-IR tubes; probably the closest match you could get is the same month and year.
 

Well with the tubes its 399USD without he is giving it to me for 305USD so im saving about 50USD if i get the 6n6p-ir and use my tubes from mkiii
 
Jul 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM Post #2,078 of 13,432
Hi All,
 
Here is a review of the IBM 1680 (6BE6) tube made by Sylvania: (please read until end or skip to summary)
 
EF95 1/7 Strap setting (used for burn in): The first impression was the signature heptode sound of wide expansive sound stage, clarity and abundant detail. Then some shortcomings became apparent: soft flabby bass, cool mid range, lack of dynamics, and sibilant treble.
 
These deficiencies disappeared slowly, and after significant burn in they almost all disappeared to a certain extent. After being burnt in for 50-60 hours the tubes had improved markedly. The bass is acceptable but lacks slam and attack. The mid range became warmer. The highs are still sibilant and sharp. Good bye (and good riddance) EF95 1/7 setting.
 
EF95 NS (no strap): This setting yields better sound than the one previously described. Firmer, more distinct bass, mid range regular warm, highs still sharp but no sibilance, good detail. Yep, much better, but no wow factor. A certain lack of micro dynamics, rhythm and pacing. A good simulation of my solid state receiver with better bass. Bye Bye EF95 NS.
 
EF95 2/7 strap: Wow! Multi layered 3D heptode magic! Bold, powerful bass, full of details and micro dynamics, great highs. Involuntarily toe tapping - a 4 on a scale of 5.
Cons: Bass does not go down to the deepest levels, and there is a minor mid range coolness and hollowness.
Very good presentation overall with tons of detail and musicality. EF95 2/7 - you are welcome any time.
 
EF92 setting (using EF95 6/7 strap setting): Treble excellent with great detail and power but some sibilance; mid range good, bass is a bit boomy. Overall quite good, grows on you. Perhaps this setting would match certain types of equipment.  EF92 - nice to see you, bye.
 
 
SUMMARY OF THE IBM 1680 TUBE:
As mentioned before, the differences between heptodes are much more subtle than between 6AK5 tubes, and thus harder to describe.
Using the EF95 2/7 strap setting this tube is very good performer, albeit not on the level of the very best heptodes.
 
The EF92 setting may be a good choice if you like a very detailed treble presentation.
 
EF95 NS is OK. 
 
EF95 1/7 is not recommended.
 
Price wise, the 1680 is a winner with a cost of less than $8 for a pair shipped.
 
As they say in a prominent consumer magazine: Recommended, Best Buy.
 
Edit 7/27/13: Listening to the EF92 simulated setting now. Don't know if the tubes stabilized or my perception changed, but these tubes sound excellent now on this setting. Bass is firm but not in your face, almost no sibilance. Detail, detail. Simply beautiful.
 
Jul 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM Post #2,079 of 13,432
Here is a source for the IR tubes. I have bought from him in the past - good seller, but shipping takes a month or more to the US.
 
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151083068087?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
 
 
Jul 26, 2013 at 5:36 PM Post #2,080 of 13,432
This is also the sell i bought from: http://www.ebay.com/itm/6N6P-IR-ECC99-E182CC-high-durable-double-triode-tubes-Lot-of-2-pc-NOS-/300693108383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4602b4b69f
 
Jul 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM Post #2,081 of 13,432
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Well with the tubes its 399USD without he is giving it to me for 305USD so im saving about 50USD if i get the 6n6p-ir and use my tubes from mkiii

399 - 305 = 94.....  Or am I missing something?
 
Edit: Oh, now that I think about it, perhaps you are assuming that a pair of 6N6P-IR will cost about 44.....
 
Jul 27, 2013 at 4:22 PM Post #2,083 of 13,432
well, having learned where the jumpers go for each tube type, and buying the jumpers i was missing, all the tubes i thought were bad, the erricson 408a's, and the zarerix 6am6's aren't bad, they sound fine, i may be slow, but i'm catching on ! lol
 
Jul 27, 2013 at 4:39 PM Post #2,084 of 13,432
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well, having learned where the jumpers go for each tube type, and buying the jumpers i was missing, all the tubes i thought were bad, the erricson 408a's, and the zarerix 6am6's aren't bad, they sound fine, i may be slow, but i'm catching on ! lol

 
And now that you are up to speed on the standard tubes, EF91, EF92, EF95 and 408A, it is time to move on to some of the non-standard tubes! :)
 

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