@stuck limo, after all this time, why can't Larry H just come out and honestly level with us? You can see from this thread that many people are just hanging on to the merest, feeblest hope that the Wave will be released at some future point and their long, long wait may have been worth it... But it looks to me that several people have invested lots and lots of money into the dream of owning a Wave, the purported highest quality DAP ever to be made, but many have not been able to set aside any more money to invest in another high quality DAP that is already available on the market. They have lost 4 yrs of audio enjoyment, thanks to LH Labs dishonesty! I guess Larry can just rationalize that there was never any Wave-delivery guarantee, and if this campaign (and other LHL IGG campaigns) fails, well this is just the cost of business... But to me, Larry is coming off as extremely arrogant and selfish... If the Wave is not going to be completed and people are never going to receive their "promised perks", then Larry OWES it to ALL of US to come out and say so! Sure, many people will be angry, but many people are already angry... Larry can't believe that he can salvage his future career/reputation by continuing with this charade; his F-rating from the BBB, all the negative comments he has received in forums like this one, and the less than positive feedback on the IGG comments section have already badly tainted his business image... NOT ONE person who perked during the Wave campaign did so with the knowledge or understanding that the Wave would take over 4 yrs after the campaign closed to be delivered; and you know what? It has now been 4 yrs and we have not even seen 1 basic Wave beta unit! This is unacceptable by any measure, especially given that the Carnival barker Gavin Fish and the Circus clown Casey Hartwell worked so hard to convince us that the Wave would be ready for the retail market by July 2015... In my opinion, the Wave campaign has already failed, and Larry continues to hurt, I mean HURT, many people who once believed in this campaign. I would like a reasonable response from you or Larry, not just for me, but for everyone else who perked during the Wave campaign... Since Larry is clearly not going to be able to deliver the Wave anytime soon (ie, within the next 3-6 months), then he NEEDS to provide us with an honest assessment (NOT some rephrased retread of a worthless campaign update!) on the actual status of the Wave campaign. In the eyes of the crowd-funders who plowed lots and lots of hard earned money into this LH labs campaign, he has nothing left of his reputation to lose. If, on the other hand, he continues to persist in his claims that the Wave is still alive and well, then he certainly owes us some video proof... No more dishonest, meaningless words... And, stuck limo, if you are unable to put together any reasonable information that will honestly benefit the Wave backers, can you at least admit to when Enough will actually be Enough? Thank you.