LAiV Harmony uDDC Re-clocker/DDC

Jan 24, 2025 at 2:41 PM Post #106 of 359
I know you really like comparisons, or at least I do, and for this, I compared it to my old Gustard u16 (with custom silver wires upgrade and dedicated grounding) and to my AudioGD DI-20HE, the LAiV seems to me to be superior on every aspect. (beginning from the fact that, on the old ddc's, the use of the external clock was of actual and immediate “visibility”).
What do you mean by this (highlighted)? External clock on DI-20 is reported elsewhere being very effective and there are other members using particular OCK-2 device with DI-20HE.

I checked all your (six) posts, you mentioned Gustard U16 at least three times, but DI-20HE wasn't. I promise, if you really had DI-20HE as claimed, you would never use U16 again (unless for playing DSD native with Gustard DACs).
 
Jan 24, 2025 at 3:10 PM Post #108 of 359
What do you mean by this (highlighted)?
I take it to mean the positive effect of his ext clock ON vs OFF was more noticeable on those DDCs than the uDDC. This could be taken as a positive as @andyxx did, the implication the uDDC’s internal oscillator performance is already very good. The not-so-positive alternative take on this is the uDDC’s ext clock input circuitry incl synthesiser doesn’t allow as much of the benefit of a higher performing ext clock to be realised ie. added jitter narrows the performance gap. I’m choosing to just run with Andy’s positive general impressions!
 
Jan 24, 2025 at 3:45 PM Post #109 of 359
I take it to mean the positive effect of his ext clock ON vs OFF was more noticeable on those DDCs than the uDDC. This could be taken as a positive as @andyxx did, the implication the uDDC’s internal oscillator performance is already very good. The not-so-positive alternative take on this is the uDDC’s ext clock input circuitry incl synthesiser doesn’t allow as much of the benefit of a higher performing ext clock to be realised ie. added jitter narrows the performance gap. I’m choosing to just run with Andy’s positive general impressions!
I would take his comment to the U16 alone. And a general positive impression vs. U16 as likely. But equalising U16 with DI-20HE was overflowing a bucket a bit and destroyed trust.

Thanks for clarifying on this issue. I am also not native English speaking.
 
Jan 25, 2025 at 10:19 AM Post #110 of 359
I would take his comment to the U16 alone. And a general positive impression vs. U16 as likely. But equalising U16 with DI-20HE was overflowing a bucket a bit and destroyed trust.

Thanks for clarifying on this issue. I am also not native English speaking.
Thanks @Jake2 . Yes, I was trying to explain exactly this: on the U16 and on the DI-20HE I feel an evident improvement using the OCK-2.
Differently, I haven't noticed an improvement using the square output of my OCK-2 clock to the uDDC. (as also reported, let me "burn in" all the devices and try the sine output, which was better, to me, with Gustard devices, and worst, i.e. with the famous DI-20HE).
The "equalization" that you "noticed" wasn't mine. The AudioGD sounds differently from the Gustard u16 (which was upgraded with silver wires and a better "ground", I'm a friend of technician, so we can try some tests. I can assure, with the upgrades, it sounds much better than the stock one).
The AudioGD doesn't sound bad, you will never read differently on any of my messages, I'm just saying that, to me, the uDDC sounds better than both the Gustard u16 (with upgrade) and also the AudioGD.
It seems to me that you have a very "high consideration" of the AudioGD devices.
I also appreciate them, you can trust me on this as, when the uDDC was arrived (as a surprise, as it wasn't planned as the other LAiV devices), I was evaluating to upgrade my AudioGD to the DI-25HE...but, since I have the Harmony DAC and HP2A, with pleasure, I preferred to take the uDDC.
Anyway, my AudioGD was nice but, i.e., it was a little bit "mellow": a lot of "dynamic power" was lost using it (USB input from my SOtM devices).
The uDDC doesn't have this, to me, limitation.
I have not reread all my (few) posts, but it seems to me that I wrote that I have (also) TWO Gustard x26 Pro (one original and one heavily modified), and as per your knowledge, the AudioGD does not handle the PIN to recognize DSD on Gustards (the LAiV does, for example).
For completeness, I did not describe everything I have because I thought this was a forum, not the tax office.
For (your) general knowledge, I can tell that I also own an Emotiva Pro DC-1 dac, two Emotiva xpa-1L power amps, a Naim NAP100 power amp, integrated AudioAnalyse PA60, another power amp (Ferson, an italian vintage brand), an m2tech DAC and DDC(young mk4, latest one + EVO 3) two pairs of passive speakers, online UPS upstream in the chain, followed by a galvanic isolator and other filters. I have also two PCs, one for the roon server and the other for the HQPlayer core, or I have a "vintage" Marantz power amp, tons of different cables (previosuly I mentioned the AQ, but, i.e. I use also a couple of Tellurium Ultra Black II XLR... and a lot of other nice things (a car box full of stuff).
For a moment I was tempted to attach some photos, but your phrase “if you have, I promise” made me to desist: this seems (to me) a forum.
I spend more than 10K a year on hi-fi, this is my standard since several years, and you can buy a lot of things with this money (of course it's always way limited: I would like to buy PMC high end speakers, or a nice Playback Designs DAC, but they're out of my budget :p).
I don't know (and honestly I don't care) on your current chain or devices but, if you have the chance to try the uDDC vs the AudioGD, I would suggest, to try it (if possible, as you're comparing the HE versions, in order to have a "fair" comparison, the uDDC + a decent linear power supply).
Or course, feel free NOT to trust me, my perceptions are based only on my current chain and the purely subjective aspect of this passion, combined with the synergy of components, which is very important, prevents, without a doubt, the possibility of everyone having the same idea about something...and I think it is also a pleasant aspect of our common passion :)

Kind regards,
Andrea (given name :) )
 
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Jan 25, 2025 at 12:13 PM Post #113 of 359
Anyway, my AudioGD was nice but, i.e., it was a little bit "mellow": a lot of "dynamic power" was lost using it (USB input from my SOtM devices).
The uDDC doesn't have this, to me, limitation.
I have not reread all my (few) posts, but it seems to me that I wrote that I have (also) TWO Gustard x26 Pro (one original and one heavily modified), and as per your knowledge, the AudioGD does not handle the PIN to recognize DSD on Gustards (the LAiV does, for example).
You didn't mention here, but somewhere else of upsampling in HQPlayer. You must always point it out, as I am sure HQPlayer is responsive for a mellow and poor dynamic sound. I tried it with Audio GD DAC. If you smooth sound, apply extensive noise shaping (as HQPlayer does), these are consequences. I take it that your choice is obstructed by your source and should not be served as a general recommendation for users who are not HQPlayer users. Including Harmony DAC users.

I also understand that for your preferences DI-20HE has no use. It limits your upsampling to 384kHz, pushing native DSD to the max require flashing a Linux optimised firmware. And your TWO Gustard x26 Pro units are unable autodetect DSD datastream. What a f&#k. Complete useless. And who is your tax man? .LOL.
 
Jan 25, 2025 at 1:16 PM Post #114 of 359
You didn't mention here, but somewhere else of upsampling in HQPlayer. You must always point it out, as I am sure HQPlayer is responsive for a mellow and poor dynamic sound. I tried it with Audio GD DAC. If you smooth sound, apply extensive noise shaping (as HQPlayer does), these are consequences. I take it that your choice is obstructed by your source and should not be served as a general recommendation for users who are not HQPlayer users. Including Harmony DAC users.

I also understand that for your preferences DI-20HE has no use. It limits your upsampling to 384kHz, pushing native DSD to the max require flashing a Linux optimised firmware. And your TWO Gustard x26 Pro units are unable autodetect DSD datastream. What a f&#k. Complete useless. And who is your tax man? .LOL.
I will start from the end as it is more fun, I was thinking you were my future consultant :P
Yes, I use sometimes HQPlayer (stand alone via UPNP and as roon engine), I also have the PGGB Ultra (licensed) ...until I had mainly the Gustard dac(s) and the m2tech (AKM), I vividly preferred the PCM-->DSD conversion (the m2tech uses PS Audio I2S pinout, so I could use also DSD with the AudioGD!) , with different patterns in relationship with tracks specifications (and, mainly, poor recordings)...but I tried also the AudioGD with my LAiV without any external processing, on NOS mode. The main issue on postprocessing, to me at least, is that although I tried to study all the manuals, explanations on filters and audio theory, it's always pretty hard to configure them(in order to have always "best results")...and I love the fact that, maybe due to the R2R design of the Harmony DAC, I can listen to, more than decently, even poor recordings, on NOS mode and without any "postprocessing".
Wish you a nice listening experience, with or without any sound engine enabled :)

Kind regards,
Andrea
 
Jan 25, 2025 at 1:56 PM Post #115 of 359
I will start from the end as it is more fun, I was thinking you were my future consultant :p
Yes, I use sometimes HQPlayer (stand alone via UPNP and as roon engine), I also have the PGGB Ultra (licensed) ...until I had mainly the Gustard dac(s) and the m2tech (AKM), I vividly preferred the PCM-->DSD conversion (the m2tech uses PS Audio I2S pinout, so I could use also DSD with the AudioGD!) , with different patterns in relationship with tracks specifications (and, mainly, poor recordings)...but I tried also the AudioGD with my LAiV without any external processing, on NOS mode. The main issue on postprocessing, to me at least, is that although I tried to study all the manuals, explanations on filters and audio theory, it's always pretty hard to configure them(in order to have always "best results")...and I love the fact that, maybe due to the R2R design of the Harmony DAC, I can listen to, more than decently, even poor recordings, on NOS mode and without any "postprocessing".
Wish you a nice listening experience, with or without any sound engine enabled :)

Kind regards,
Andrea
Some early withdrawal symptoms in every post, but otherwise goooood. :)
 
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Jan 26, 2025 at 6:06 AM Post #116 of 359
I will start from the end as it is more fun, I was thinking you were my future consultant :p
Yes, I use sometimes HQPlayer (stand alone via UPNP and as roon engine), I also have the PGGB Ultra (licensed) ...until I had mainly the Gustard dac(s) and the m2tech (AKM), I vividly preferred the PCM-->DSD conversion (the m2tech uses PS Audio I2S pinout, so I could use also DSD with the AudioGD!) , with different patterns in relationship with tracks specifications (and, mainly, poor recordings)...but I tried also the AudioGD with my LAiV without any external processing, on NOS mode. The main issue on postprocessing, to me at least, is that although I tried to study all the manuals, explanations on filters and audio theory, it's always pretty hard to configure them(in order to have always "best results")...and I love the fact that, maybe due to the R2R design of the Harmony DAC, I can listen to, more than decently, even poor recordings, on NOS mode and without any "postprocessing".
Wish you a nice listening experience, with or without any sound engine enabled :)

Kind regards,
Andrea
Without going off topic, I've always been a bit intimidated by HQ Player with the settings etc. I have an Innuos Zenith Mk3 (to DMP-A8 to Harmony DAC/Max'd Voyager) with a Roon core and am looking to take my DMP-A8 out and migrate to a uDDC/Harmony/HP2A stack.

How would I/could I integrate HQ Player into using a Zenith Mk3? Or is it easier retaining the DMP-A8 and or migrating my Library/Roon Core.

I also have a 2023 MacBook Pro with an M3 chip, would that be a better option for HQ Player?

Who knows? I feel like such a dummy...........

Anyway, I've got a uDDC/HP2A on order and cant wait to try them out.... We'll see what that sounds like....
 
Jan 26, 2025 at 6:19 AM Post #117 of 359
One other thing - I just tried to access the 6moons uDDC review and I can't seem to....

https://6moons.com/audioreview_articles/laiv-uddc/1/

Wondering if my sarcasm was overblown (for which I apologise) re Page 4 above, or whether there's an update coming? Or it's simply been taken down...
 
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