[randomnin]

Funny you mention the phonograph site - the last time I've checked, the ZS6 still had the highest sound rating (Bass 9-Mids 9-Treble 9) of all the KZs they've tested (and pretty much everything else on their list).

On their site, I usually only pay attention to the graphs, photos, the bass boost percentage tolerated by the IEM, maybe the isolation, leak and possibility to equalize ratings (the latter three because a lot of other reviewers just don't provide them at all). But I take everything with the exception of the first two with a pinch of salt. That site seems extremely commercialised and has poor usability. But the graph database and the speed of updates is good, so I have to tolerate everything else.

 

[Nimweth]

On their site, I usually only pay attention to the graphs, photos, the bass boost percentage tolerated by the IEM, maybe the isolation, leak and possibility to equalize ratings (the latter three because a lot of other reviewers just don't provide them at all). But I take everything with the exception of the first two with a pinch of salt. That site seems extremely commercialised and has poor usability. But the graph database and the speed of updates is good, so I have to tolerate everything else.

Yes, I think their reviews all sound the same, or at least very similar!

 

[Wiljen]

On their site, I usually only pay attention to the graphs, photos, the bass boost percentage tolerated by the IEM, maybe the isolation, leak and possibility to equalize ratings (the latter three because a lot of other reviewers just don't provide them at all). But I take everything with the exception of the first two with a pinch of salt. That site seems extremely commercialised and has poor usability. But the graph database and the speed of updates is good, so I have to tolerate everything else.

I think the Phonograph site is more about churning up sales than really doing good reviews. I have yet to see them rank anything less than excellent. Lots of affiliate links and "Specials for our readers" on that site.

 

[LaughMoreDaily]

Omg, I read a bad "review/comment" on the ZS10 Pro from a watcher of Bad Guy Audio Reviews YouTube channel. They're rolling in... Bad reviews. Hopefully, no more...

 

[CYoung234]

any recommend for a wide range sound stage, detail, which one should I choose from kz line, is it ZS10 is the best for that kind of sound?

I own the ZS5v1, ZS6 and ZS10. I do have a CCA C16 on the way, but I have not heard any of the newer KZs, such as the AS10, BA10, ZS7, etc. Of the iems I own, the ZS10s are my favorites, and have a large and detailed soundstage. I listen to a fair amount of large scale symphonic classical music, and the stage width on the ZS10 is the best of the iems I own (see my signature). The ZS10 has its share of detractors here. Some claim it sounds unnatural, some say it is too dark, etc. I disagree with them. I also own and like the Tin Audio T2, but I had to remove the grilles from my T2 to get them to sound right, as there was a slight but annoying coloration to symphonic brass instruments in my set of T2's before this. But, in terms of soundstage, the ZS10 is larger than the T2 as well.

Oh, these are my opinions, so take them for that. But, they are based on owning and using all of these iems, and not on what I have read about them, which I guess is sort of a headfi phenomena...

 

[skajohyros]

I own the ZS5v1, ZS6 and ZS10. I do have a CCA C16 on the way, but I have not heard any of the newer KZs, such as the AS10, BA10, ZS7, etc. Of the iems I own, the ZS10s are my favorites, and have a large and detailed soundstage. I listen to a fair amount of large scale symphonic classical music, and the stage width on the ZS10 is the best of the iems I own (see my signature). The ZS10 has its share of detractors here. Some claim it sounds unnatural, some say it is too dark, etc. I disagree with them. I also own and like the Tin Audio T2, but I had to remove the grilles from my T2 to get them to sound right, as there was a slight but annoying coloration to symphonic brass instruments in my set of T2's before this. But, in terms of soundstage, the ZS10 is larger than the T2 as well.

Oh, these are my opinions, so take them for that. But, they are based on owning and using all of these iems, and not on what I have read about them, which I guess is sort of a headfi phenomena...

So the zs10 has bigger, wider and better soundstage than the zs5v1 ?

 

[FastAndClean]

the new AS16 is on sale now for 98$, i have C16, that is the reason why i will pass on that one, but who knows, it can be better

 

[Slater]

the new AS16 is on sale now for 98$, i have C16, that is the reason why i will pass on that one, but who knows, it can be better

Hopefully KZ bumped up the low end on the AS16.

Because the 2 bass drivers of the C16 are capable of a shocking amount of bass, and IMO they are being totally underutilized in the tuning C16. I’m using EQ to bring it up to where I want it, but I’d much rather have the tuning built into the physical hardware than rely on EQ.

I understand CCAs thing is flatter more neutral tuning than their KZ brethren, which is why I’m hoping they pump it up for the KZ version.

 

[FastAndClean]

Hopefully KZ bumped up the low end on the AS16.

Because the 2 bass drivers of the C16 are capable of a shocking amount of bass, and IMO they are being totally underutilized in the tuning C16. I’m using EQ to bring it up to where I want it, but I’d much rather have the tuning built into the physical hardware than rely on EQ.

i use bass EQ with them too, the bass is amazing, the best part of that in ear, i will bet that the bass on AS16 is the same, they use the same crossover, the same woofers and the same internal design
treble will be different, the drivers are not the same as C16

 

[Slater]

i use bass EQ with them too, the bass is amazing, the best part of that in ear, i will bet that the bass on AS16 is the same, they use the same crossover, the same woofers and the same internal design
treble will be different, the drivers are not the same as C16

So one thing I noticed on the C16 that’s interesting...it has that little white 3D printed piece, that acts as both a mount for the drivers as well as a sound tuning chamber.




Well, it has 2 small holes and 1 large hole. They’re acting like the vinyl tubing used in most multi-BA IEMs.

Anyways, one would assume that the large sound passage is for the bass drivers (since they’re larger and move more air). But the large hole is used by the high frequency drivers.

They can tune the sound using these passageways. So if they wanted more bass, they could make the bass passageway larger. But that has to be done in the actual design of that piece. It’s not something we can tweak on our end

 

[Caipirina]

the new AS16 is on sale now for 98$, i have C16, that is the reason why i will pass on that one, but who knows, it can be better

94.88 with coupon and on mobile ... this is still a bit crazy ... but oh so tempting ...

 

[El Fuinha]

Personally I’d be careful shoving a 78nm size metal pin into a 75nm smaller hole. Might work once, but from then on, the original cable will be loose fitting.

I know the .75mm balanced cable exists, took me a while to find though. Will check my past AliX orders later. Am on mobile right now.

Edit: Hope this copy / paste works

US $6.80 31％ Off | KZ ZST ZSR ES3 ED12 ZS10 ES4 Silver Plating Upgrade Cable Earphone Headset Replaceable 3.5mm 2.5mm Line for Android IOS
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bpLOeJOg

Thanks for your answer.

What I found is TRRS cable for type A and B, no type C that is what I need.

No answers from KZ store on Ali on this subject.

 

[Nimweth]

Hopefully KZ bumped up the low end on the AS16.

Because the 2 bass drivers of the C16 are capable of a shocking amount of bass, and IMO they are being totally underutilized in the tuning C16. I’m using EQ to bring it up to where I want it, but I’d much rather have the tuning built into the physical hardware than rely on EQ.

I understand CCAs thing is flatter more neutral tuning than their KZ brethren, which is why I’m hoping they pump it up for the KZ version.

I agree with you. I find engaging the bass boost on my Fiio A5 amplifier does the trick, but, like you, I prefer not to use EQ. I have found myself reaching for my ZS7 more than the C16.

 

[Slater]

Thanks for your answer.

What I found is TRRS cable for type A and B, no type C that is what I need.

No answers from KZ store on Ali on this subject.

It will take a while for KZ to catch up, due to the newness of Type C.

If you can’t wait, JCAlly has a nice Type C cable, and you can custom request a 2.5mm balanced plug.

 

[bhazard]

I really like my CCA C16, but I'm tempted to get the AS16. Need some reviews and comparisons... I don't really want to pay more than I did for the C16.