[electropop]

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To all the critics of T1: I found T1 to be the most transparent headphone I listened. By the transparency I mean the ability to faithfully reproduce the sound of the chain before it (source, interconnect, amp). Using T1 with mid-fi rig is not worthy and does not reveals T1 potential. I posted my thoughts in http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/483027/beyerdynamic-t1-mid-fi-gear. Note: I am not T1 fan. If I would ever upgrade to some $5K+ rig, I doubt I will built it around T1.

Sound of the chain? Hmm...
 
Transparency doesn't mean anything if I can't hear melodies.

 

[fishski13]

 
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Cuz they would like easy to drive headphones and easy to snergise headphones, which is the polar opposite of the K701 amping wise dispite the realtively low impedance.

regarding amping requirements for %90 of HPs:  most of the info posted here at HF is not based in reality.
 
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An interesting way of judging a headphone with the least amount of bias is to think of which headphones amp builders like using to demonstrate the potential of their amps.  I never hear of an amp builder boasting about the K701.  It's never happened in my experiences.  An amp builder obviously wants to impress.......it seems to me that rarely do I hear of any of them preferring the K701 as their choice headphone for demonstration purposes

 
i build my own amps.  the reason i settled on the K702 was because sonic differences between amps are more apparent compared to the others i've had in my stable over the last few years.  i'm only trying to impress myself

.  the y2/B22/K702 is a stellar combo, to my ears.
 
 
 
 
 

 

[pataburd]

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Originally Posted by fishski13 
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i build my own amps.  the reason i settled on the K702 was because sonic differences between amps are more apparent compared to the others i've had in my stable over the last few years.  i'm only trying to impress myself

.  the y2/B22/K702 is a stellar combo, to my ears.
 

Fishki13,
Do the K702 solve the lower treble/upper midrange glitch apparent with the K701?  If so, then I would eventually be willing to give them a shot.
 
PAB

 

[donthuang]

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Fishki13,
Do the K702 solve the lower treble/upper midrange glitch apparent with the K701?  If so, then I would eventually be willing to give them a shot.
 
PAB

 
 
Sorry, but if K70X sounds "glitch" ,that's because you amp really lack enough currents,not headphone's fault.
 

 

 

[fishski13]

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Fishki13,
Do the K702 solve the lower treble/upper midrange glitch apparent with the K701?  If so, then I would eventually be willing to give them a shot.
 
PAB

to my ears, yes, it's not as offensive as the K701.  it's all not as airy and thin sounding, with a darker, more distant sounding signature in comparison. 
 
the amp/source also count in tailoring the sound.  the B22 and Bijou OTL subdues the K702 peakiness and have a very deeply layered bass that the K702 lacks with some other amps.  with the M3 or mini3, there is still a small amount mid-range glare, but it's not terrible. 

 

[lejaz]

Does the LD mkV lack current? The upper midrange glitch is quite noticeable with it and the k702

 

[donthuang]

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Does the LD mkV lack current? The upper midrange glitch is quite noticeable with it and the k702

 
 
I have no ideas about LD MKV, sorry.
 
That's two kind situations would make K70X's upper midrange sounds "glitch"
 
1. The headphone is too new, side pressure too tight makes driver slight over damping.
that's simply the "burn-in" problem, 
 
2.Amps lack enough current output，and makes sounds dry and compress.

 

[lejaz]

My k702 is burned in and no problem with the fit. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in on the current issue. I know others have noticed the problem with the upper mid/treble integration and they have better amps than the mkV...and well burned in headphones.

 

[baka1969]

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Originally Posted by fishski13  


" to my ears, yes, it's not as offensive as the K701.  it's all not as airy and thin sounding, with a darker, more distant sounding signature in comparison.  
the amp/source also count in tailoring the sound.  the B22 and Bijou OTL subdues the K702 peakiness and have a very deeply layered bass that the K702 lacks with some other amps.  with the M3 or mini3, there is still a small amount mid-range glare, but it's not terrible.  "

I've had the 701 and the 702 at the same time and they are sonically the same. I've heard three different 701s with differing serial numbers and the 702 and I hear no difference. I think we've gotten into the realm of fantasy now. The 701 and the 702 are the same headphone aside from color and the fact that the 702 has a removable cable. I've tried them on different sources and amps. to me differences just don't exist.

 

[fishski13]

 
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Originally Posted by fishski13  


" to my ears, yes, it's not as offensive as the K701.  it's all not as airy and thin sounding, with a darker, more distant sounding signature in comparison.  
the amp/source also count in tailoring the sound.  the B22 and Bijou OTL subdues the K702 peakiness and have a very deeply layered bass that the K702 lacks with some other amps.  with the M3 or mini3, there is still a small amount mid-range glare, but it's not terrible.  "

I've had the 701 and the 702 at the same time and they are sonically the same. I've heard three different 701s with differing serial numbers and the 702 and I hear no difference. I think we've gotten into the realm of fantasy now. The 701 and the 702 are the same headphone aside from color and the fact that the 702 has a removable cable. I've tried them on different sources and amps. to me differences just don't exist.

i don't doubt you heard what you heard. 

 

[fishski13]

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My k702 is burned in and no problem with the fit. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in on the current issue. I know others have noticed the problem with the upper mid/treble integration and they have better amps than the mkV...and well burned in headphones.

on paper, the LD has more than enough current.

 

[baka1969]

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Originally Posted by fishski13  


" i don't doubt you heard what you heard.  "

That was obvoiusly a slight at me.

I am not the only one who has heard what I've heard. Or not heard as it is. There is no reason the 701 and the 702 should sound different except for any slight production variations. I may not have heard as many headphones as others on Head-Fi but I've heard enough to tell even subtle differences between headphones. The 701 and 702 just don't have that.

Peace,

 

[cravenz]

Guys, it's a forum. Everyone has their opinions and a lot of us think that the other may not hear what they hear or see what they see. It's a futile attempt. It's hard to claim an absolute. Many claim that the 701/2 has a lack of bass etc, some claim it's sufficient and accurate; and some also claim that tight bass doesn't indicate accuracy or things like that. We all hear different things. Our bodies are built differently. What we think we hear, may not be what others think they hear.
 
There can be no claim to absolute in all this headphone, etc. What the absolute is, is that many of us love music, love audio and we all want better audio, just through differing means.
 
The most important thing about this forum I believe, is to expand our knowledge, meet people with like interests and also to help others. Where people share differing opinions, so be it. There may be discourse and that's normal, but there is no reason to further the discourse beyond mutual respect.
 
That's my opinion.

 

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[fishski13]

 
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Originally Posted by fishski13  


" i don't doubt you heard what you heard.  "

That was obvoiusly a slight at me.

I am not the only one who has heard what I've heard. Or not heard as it is. There is no reason the 701 and the 702 should sound different except for any slight production variations. I may not have heard as many headphones as others on Head-Fi but I've heard enough to tell even subtle differences between headphones. The 701 and 702 just don't have that.

Peace,

sorry, no slight at all - i was being genuine, but maybe too blunt.  i blame it on my poor typing skills

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respectfully