Just dont understand. How can they believe an Ethernet cable can improve sound?

[redrol]

Well ok then, lets start an IEM cable company.

 

[A Jedi]

I invite @Ghoostknight to take this test and decide how much he is actually hearing:

https://www.klippel.de/listeningtest/?v=3

 

[A Jedi]

Also the owner of that company posted he was going to sue me right after I posted that, then when a ton of comments were laughing at him, he deleted it all and vanished

He realized that he'd have to prove his claim in court. After that realization, things got sad for him and he left

 

[gregorio]

i know it cant be measured in the dac output, tho it still seems to matter

How does noise that doesn’t exist and is therefore not noise “still seem to matter”? Or are you saying it’s magical audiophile noise that travels through some unknown dimension from some undefined “mid-point” in an Ethernet switch straight to your speakers or HPs and thereby bypasses the data buffers, galvanic isolation and DAC output? Presumably audiophile Ethernet switches employ some sort of anti-dimensional force field and therefore stops this noise, that only audiophiles sensitive to extra-dimensional noise can hear (when they’re not being blind tested) from travelling to you speakers?

Why didn’t you just say that to start with, we could have avoided pages of nonsense and gone straight to the logical, real facts!

The problem with audiophile BS is that there obviously is no reliable evidence to support it, so you’ve got to make-up ever more ridiculous nonsense to try and explain/justify it and eventually reach a point where it’s just so ridiculous you’ve even gone past the point of it just being laughable!

And eventough looks real time, it isn’t and never will.

That’s another reason it must be magical audiophile noise that travels through a 5th dimension, so it isn’t subject to the time dimension and it doesn’t matter if Ethernet is real time or not!

G

 

[Ghoostknight]

I invite @Ghoostknight to take this test and decide how much he is actually hearing:

https://www.klippel.de/listeningtest/?v=3

i guess not too bad for my first try, tho this showed me again that blind tests are flawed, after the first wrong answer i got confused between what is distorted and what not (i still heared a difference but couldnt decide on which is which)

i guess you wanna show me what you are actually able to hear "noise floor" wise and it objectively makes "kinda" sense, but not so much if you actually heared the differences of power supplys, ac filters and so on

but out of curiousity, i will repeat this test tomorrow on my speaker setup
and i wonder what studys find out is the audible threshold

 

[Ghoostknight]

How does noise that doesn’t exist and is therefore not noise “still seem to matter”? Or are you saying it’s magical audiophile noise that travels through some unknown dimension from some undefined “mid-point” in an Ethernet switch straight to your speakers or HPs and thereby bypasses the data buffers, galvanic isolation and DAC output? Presumably audiophile Ethernet switches employ some sort of anti-dimensional force field and therefore stops this noise, that only audiophiles sensitive to extra-dimensional noise can hear (when they’re not being blind tested) from travelling to you speakers?

Why didn’t you just say that to start with, we could have avoided pages of nonsense and gone straight to the logical, real facts!

The problem with audiophile BS is that there obviously is no reliable evidence to support it, so you’ve got to make-up ever more ridiculous nonsense to try and explain/justify it and eventually reach a point where it’s just so ridiculous you’ve even gone past the point of it just being laughable!

gregorio, you are great at making other opinions look foolish +1

pretty sure the noise "exists", i guess just because there is a "noise floor" doesnt make noise under it "magically dissappear", its still there, tho it cant be measured unless you find the source and isolate it... which might be one explanation

the reliable evidence for some people are what they are actually hearing, kinda sad to just look at numbers and make them your listening expierence imo
i would also like to see the study (somebody a few posts ago stated this) that states 0,1db volume difference is detectable, if the common opinion on the internet is 1,5-3db...

 

[A Jedi]

i wonder what studys find out is the audible threshold

Many (emphasis on MANY) show the audible threshold as -80db.

 

[A Jedi]

i got confused between what is distorted and what not

If you can't tell what is distorted and what is not, how can you comment on what performs better (fancy switch)?

-33db (your result) is quite poor.

 

[Ghoostknight]

Many (emphasis on MANY) show the audible threshold as -80db.

well, then show me those studys and how it was tested
maybe the sample i picked was a not so good one (i picked a music one)

If you can't tell what is distorted and what is not, how can you comment on what performs better (fancy switch)?

becaust some of them perform -objectivly- better than others

-33db (your result) is quite poor.

tho it was my "first!" test and i already have better results than 90% as it seems...

 

[A Jedi]

well, then show me those studys and how it was tested

Are you incapable of googling? Christ man, I'm not going to do your homework for you. Stop being lazy.

 

[A Jedi]

becaust some of them perform -objectivly- better than others

But your argument this entire time has been that since we can't objectively measure a meaningful difference, we have to rely on our ears (subjectivism).

You're constantly making arguments at odds with each other.

I'm going to say one last thing and them I'm done wasting my time with you.

Please buy the most expensive switch you can find. I 100% guarantee you that you will hear an improvement in your system.

 

[Ghoostknight]

But your argument this entire time has been that since we can't objectively measure a meaningful difference, we have to rely on our ears (subjectivism).

could you guys stop turning around what i actually said?
alphaaudio was objectivly able to measure differences
FOR ME - the last instance will be subjective listening instead of listening to some guys on the internet claiming things either way

Please buy the most expensive switch you can find. I 100% guarantee you that you will hear an improvement in your system.

maybe? probably? tho i never said thats whats best (cost/performance wise)

i also never said -all- "audiophile devices" (and companys) are superior to other stuff and there are indeed scams out there, tho not every audiophile company is like that, maybe in your eyes tho

 

[Ghoostknight]

one thing i also noticed more than once, there are actual differences, that objectively are better but objectivists keep claiming its not audible as soon as something like this comes up, while others are actually hearing differences that could be explained this way, this is probably the real culprit

 

[chef8489]

one thing i also noticed more than once, there are actual differences, that objectively are better but objectivists keep claiming its not audible as soon as something like this comes up, while others are actually hearing differences that could be explained this way, this is probably the real culprit

If there were actual audible differences it could be proven with a simple null test yet no one can provide a valid null test that proves an audible difference.

 

[bigshot]

Inaudible noise isn’t noise, it’s inaudible. The noise floor on a cd is lower than the noise floor of most recordings. Recording venues aren’t anechoic chambers. They have a noise floor themselves. And mixing raises it further. The noise floor of 16 bit sound is well into the range of overkill for the purposes of listening to commercially recorded music in the home. 12 or 13 bit is enough.