JM Audio Editions XTC Headphones

Apr 9, 2025 at 11:10 AM Post #2,341 of 2,473
I was hoping someone could weigh in here in satisfying my curiosity as to why someone would want a portable headphone amp and/or DAC for JMAE headphones. IMO, these phones are really not portable headphones, especially my XTC-C 2.5s that are rather large, heavy, and unwieldy. So why would someone want a portable amp when a desktop amp normally has a much bigger power supply, and therefore in my experience more competence in driving headphones? Is it cost considerations? Do people carry their phones to varying locations and need a portable amp? Is it physical size?

Signed,

Clueless
 
Apr 9, 2025 at 11:14 AM Post #2,342 of 2,473
I was hoping someone could weigh in here in satisfying my curiosity as to why someone would want a portable headphone amp and/or DAC for JMAE headphones. IMO, these phones are really not portable headphones, especially my XTC-C 2.5s that are rather large, heavy, and unwieldy. So why would someone want a portable amp when a desktop amp normally has a much bigger power supply, and therefore in my experience more competence in driving headphones? Is it cost considerations? Do people carry their phones to varying locations and need a portable amp? Is it physical size?

Signed,

Clueless
I take mine in my backpack, on business and vacation trips. Bringing a desktop amp is a bit silly in my opinion, hence why I landed on getting a more portable amplification option.
 
Apr 9, 2025 at 11:44 AM Post #2,343 of 2,473
Also, have you looked into the Woo Headfi threads? They helped me a lot when I was deciding on my amps. They can get a little in the weeds about “needing” specific tubes to have a good time but taking all that with a grain of salt, their threads were SUPER helpful for me. I ended up with the WA6 and WA2 and couldn’t be happier.
not yet i just finished reading this thread today :), i think i must have gone through 5 full threads over the last two weeks, and multiple random partial threads, next step I guess
 
Apr 9, 2025 at 11:46 AM Post #2,344 of 2,473
I was hoping someone could weigh in here in satisfying my curiosity as to why someone would want a portable headphone amp and/or DAC for JMAE headphones. IMO, these phones are really not portable headphones, especially my XTC-C 2.5s that are rather large, heavy, and unwieldy. So why would someone want a portable amp when a desktop amp normally has a much bigger power supply, and therefore in my experience more competence in driving headphones? Is it cost considerations? Do people carry their phones to varying locations and need a portable amp? Is it physical size?

Signed,

Clueless
Some people like to have collections of things. Some people (me) like to have options. Some people (me) are looking for ease and joy over perfection. Portable amps are great, especially great dongles, because they can be a true hifi swiss army knife, great for IEMS and very good for full sized headphones.

I have an amazing non-portable set up in my office where I do most of my listening while I work or play video games or just sit and listen, but when I want to go into the living room to listen on the couch or any other location in the house I bring either the Questyle M15i or Cayin RU7 dongles, I connect it to my phone or iPad and it sounds wonderful. I don't have to go through the process of taking my system in my office apart, moving it to a different part of the house, putting it back together, taking it apart again when I'm done, taking it back to my office, and putting it all back.

I would poke a tad and ask you what you mean by "portable" amp. That can mean different things to different people. I love my dongles for ease and pleasure. I also have a JDS Labs Element IV. To me it's very portable. It's amazing. What do you mean by "portable amp and/or dac"? In my office I have both the Shiit Yggi OG and Geshelli Dayzee connected to the Burson Soloist 3XGT. That is a pain in the booty to move, so I don't. It lives in my office permenently.

In my opinion, the way to make this hobby as warm and welcoming as possible is to offer the idea to everyone here, especially new people possible just coming into the hobby popping in catching a great review of these headphones, the idea that they can have a great time with John's headphones no matter what they listen on, and I can say from experince that they can. Yes they scale incredibly well, my personal office system shows me that all the time. But what if we are actually selling ourselves, or personal listening pleasure, and the experince of new hifi enthusiests short by thinking that great headphones should only be listened to on high end systems. That is just not true. Of course pleasure and listening is subjective. No doubt. But in my opinion a truly great headphone can and should sound wonderful on most everything, no matter the size of the device, and can scale up infinately to last with the listener for hopefully as long as possible. I know I'm personally not willing to invest this much money on a headphone that works only on one type of setup.

I teach and when I want to bring my JM audio headphones to my office at school I am for sure not bringing my heavy gear with me. I know for a fact that when I bring my little dongles ot portable dac/amps to work it sounds amazing. That is actually the reason I invest this much money in John's headphones. Because they can do that incredibly well.

The Beyer DT880 600ohm is a great polar opposite and example for why I have portable amps for my JM headphoens. To me I only listen to the 880 on tube amps. I really don't like how I sounds on other amps. It isolates me to listening only on one type of device. Those go for about $175ish new. I'm okay with paying that much for those, because great pleasure for me with those are incaccessable unless I am at home in my office. Those are not a true swiss army knife headphones. John's headphones are. I will personally only invest JM Audio prices if I have faith that I can listen on anything and have a wonderful time.
 
Apr 9, 2025 at 12:24 PM Post #2,345 of 2,473
Thanks for the education on why one would desire a "portable" system for headphones. Perhaps due to my many years of listening to high-end speaker systems, I view the use of headphones as a stationary one where I disconnect from the world and concentrate fully on the music and feel it imperative to get the best listening experience possible. The only time I had a "mobile" system was when I had a Sony Walkman cassette unit I sometimes used when bicycling to work. I also listened to recordings I made in the car but to me the ultimate experience is listening to the best headphones like the XTC-C 2.5s among others with the most balls-out amp like my tubed Ampsandsound Forge.
 
Apr 9, 2025 at 12:42 PM Post #2,346 of 2,473
Thanks for the education on why one would desire a "portable" system for headphones. Perhaps due to my many years of listening to high-end speaker systems, I view the use of headphones as a stationary one where I disconnect from the world and concentrate fully on the music and feel it imperative to get the best listening experience possible. The only time I had a "mobile" system was when I had a Sony Walkman cassette unit I sometimes used when bicycling to work. I also listened to recordings I made in the car but to me the ultimate experience is listening to the best headphones like the XTC-C 2.5s among others with the most balls-out amp like my tubed Ampsandsound Forge.

I agree 100%. But the point is that when lots of people might not be able to afford the high end gear and be lucky enough to have a dedicated quiet listening space, they still can have a wonderful time with these and that is what makes them worth the investment. To me at least. The fun SHOULD be there for everyone.

I also have zero interest in being part of anything activity that demands only extremely special expensive equipment to participate in and get joy from. There is way too much ego and grandiosity in that ideal for me. I like the community of it to be as accessible to as many people as possible.
 
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Apr 9, 2025 at 2:37 PM Post #2,347 of 2,473
I agree 100%. But the point is that when lots of people might not be able to afford the high end gear and be lucky enough to have a dedicated quiet listening space, they still can have a wonderful time with these and that is what makes them worth the investment. To me at least. The fun SHOULD be there for everyone.

I also have zero interest in being part of anything activity that demands only extremely special expensive equipment to participate in and get joy from. There is way too much ego and grandiosity in that ideal for me. I like the community of it to be as accessible to as many people as possible.
I'm in the same "portable" boat. Due to the dynamics of my home, I set up in different locations around the house when doing my focused music listening so I need something that can be moved around easily and in some cases, battery powered.
I feel like the market has several really good options that fit this need and I've been very happy with my portable DAC/amps.
 
Apr 9, 2025 at 2:54 PM Post #2,348 of 2,473
I'm in the same "portable" boat. Due to the dynamics of my home, I set up in different locations around the house when doing my focused music listening so I need something that can be moved around easily and in some cases, battery powered.
I feel like the market has several really good options that fit this need and I've been very happy with my portable DAC/amps.

Absolutely! There are even some amazing very portable tube dac/amp dongles that sound incredible.
 
Apr 9, 2025 at 6:14 PM Post #2,349 of 2,473
Apr 10, 2025 at 1:04 AM Post #2,350 of 2,473
ok 1 step closer in my journey, secured 32 ohm xtc 2.5 that is heading to John (thank you Patswalker) , secured Woo Audio WA6-SE locally that comes with 274B tube...(thank you andrewchoppa for letting me listen to 2.5s with tube) Way way over budget.... but I think I have something decent so far.

Now just need to narrow down the DAC... maybe the KAEI TAP1-PRO can be both a desktop DAC and portable in 1...
 
Apr 10, 2025 at 4:15 AM Post #2,351 of 2,473
ok 1 step closer in my journey, secured 32 ohm xtc 2.5 that is heading to John (thank you Patswalker) , secured locally that comes with 274B tube...(thank you andrewchoppa for letting me listen to 2.5s with tube) Way way over budget.... but I think I have something decent so far.

Now just need to narrow down the DAC... maybe the KAEI TAP1-PRO can be both a desktop DAC and portable in 1...
You're welcome mate!! Glad to help.
And you will be very happy with Woo Audio. And wow - that Woo model looks like a beast!!! So no need for the Eufonika then?
And please do tell - where ON EARTH did you discover the KAE TAP1-PRO???????? That looks magnificent!!!!!!!!
I now have a very severe case of FOMO!!! Please tell me more!!!!
And @Patswalker , I'm with you, I used to take my XTC 2,5s away on holiday. I've used them on planes (yes people are intrigued) and carry them safely with me. I currently have a Fiio M23 which I love, but I always like to have a decent set of closed backs with me anywhere I go. After @seevip tells me more about this KaEI, I may need to invest.....
 
Apr 10, 2025 at 4:46 AM Post #2,352 of 2,473
You're welcome mate!! Glad to help.
And you will be very happy with Woo Audio. And wow - that Woo model looks like a beast!!! So no need for the Eufonika then?
And please do tell - where ON EARTH did you discover the KAE TAP1-PRO???????? That looks magnificent!!!!!!!!
I now have a very severe case of FOMO!!! Please tell me more!!!!
And @Patswalker , I'm with you, I used to take my XTC 2,5s away on holiday. I've used them on planes (yes people are intrigued) and carry them safely with me. I currently have a Fiio M23 which I love, but I always like to have a decent set of closed backs with me anywhere I go. After @seevip tells me more about this KaEI, I may need to invest.....
We should still find out the model number of that transformer for the Eufonika to see what it will cost to fix.

I just saw it briefly during my search and then @Audiophile03 mentioned it

 
Apr 10, 2025 at 7:15 AM Post #2,353 of 2,473
We should still find out the model number of that transformer for the Eufonika to see what it will cost to fix.

I just saw it briefly during my search and then @Audiophile03 mentioned it

Agreed mate. I'll open it up tomorrow and send you the details. And as promised, if you want it, it's yours, providing you don't need to spend much fixing it. It is a prototype and the only 1 (apart from mine) in the wild, period.
 
Apr 10, 2025 at 8:23 AM Post #2,354 of 2,473
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