bigshot
Headphoneus Supremus
That sounds like they're foisting their quality control tests off to the consumer.
In a ideal world, that's not what science wants. Science wants theories that can be tested and proved or disproved. Real world science is as screwed up as everything else. Poke through what Sabine Hossenfelder writes about physics: http://backreaction.blogspot.com/.You can only imagine how bewildering all this is for the new comer.
And that’s what the web site is for right? To help people understand and get better enjoyment from audio equipment.
Science would like everything to be cut and dry. So to say, OK maybe there is a slight sound change in equipment due to slight changes beyond the methods of measurement is too much to admit. It’s hard to prove anything and, we all know how confusing and unreliable subjective listening proof is from experience.
Why is it 100% positive? This is a issue with burn in.As science has done with psychology, we know preconceived ideas change audio perception. So just stating to the new comer about burn-in can even create a phenomenon which does not exist.
Manufacturers believe in it at times and include ownership manuals which go on to explain how the burn-in process will 100% positivity change the equipment sound for the better. Though these changes are slight they are noted as being slightly warmer, maybe more consistent and smooth.
Listen to yourself. This makes no since at all.So a small list of ideas, would be very useful to the new comer. And.......the hardfelt reality here is that a headphone or amp or DAC that they may have actually loved, would be passed up if listened quickly out of the box and put back on the shelf.
That’s the real risk of not taking burn-in changes as real. If you already own the equipment it simply gets better. But to actually not buy equipment due to fear of no burn-in process is the danger here for the noobs.
There's the HEAD-FI I knew and love.The above responses are standard fare for SS. I've read them here for years and years, they never change.
The audio-nihilism ideas presented here in SS would have kept me from truly enjoying this hobby if I would have been a noob and didn't know any better.
Lots of snipping.
yeah, oh poor people missing out on all the fun because they exercise some measure of skepticism and ask for evidence before starting to spread legends on the internet. I don't delete your post because IMO it's so empty and whinny that it makes a case for us more than it hurts members of this section. but to be clear in the event that you planned to keep going in that direction. when the forum forbid personal attacks and libel, it doesn't imply it's all right to do it for an entire group of members.The above responses are standard fare for SS. I've read them here for years and years, they never change.
The audio-nihilism ideas presented here in SS would have kept me from truly enjoying this hobby if I would have been a noob and didn't know any better.
Noun
nihilism (countable and uncountable, plural nihilisms)
- (philosophy) A philosophical doctrine grounded on the negation of one or more meaningful aspects of life.
- (ethics) The rejection of inherent or objective moral principles.
- (politics) The rejection of non-rationalized or non-proven assertions in the social and political spheres of society.
- (politics, historical) A Russian movement of the 1860s that rejected all authority and promoted the use of violence for political change.
- The understanding that all endeavors are devoid of objective meaning. quotations ▼
Synonyms: fatalism- The refusal of belief, that belief itself is untenable.
And that's the sad part. A noob reading 20 to 20,000 hertz is all there is ever to hear. That you would be fine with a 1999 CD player putting out 20 to 20,000 hertz and all the rest is distortions and color.
How those manufacturers are the bad guys for selling faulty equipment. ..........with no burn in. Equipment which reproduces audio non-consistently. Lol.
By the way, that's simply a comeback to disregard the respectful group who knows electrical equipment can change sound over time.
And for noobs who read sound science and believe some of the "Sound Nihilism" here as truths are going to miss out.
Being open minded that there could be a change allows the new Head-Fi memeber the freedom to understand that equipment may sound different over time and use and that it may not be a concept fully understood by science at this time, but exists none-the-less.
Because if an amplifier powers headphones to a signal of 20Hz to 20kHz, there are millions of other variables which come into play and enhance the enjoyment of audio.
So we hear SS say, how could the engineering be done with capacitors which put out a wavering signal? They use burned-in capacitors when making the prototype model.
All this stuff starts to get simple once you pull your head out of the sand.
is it true that dynamic drivers requires burn in? even the manufacturer says
- Recommended burn-in time: 80 ~ 150 hours (can better enhance the low-band energy and dive degree)
is it true that dynamic drivers requires burn in? even the manufacturer says
- Recommended burn-in time: 80 ~ 150 hours (can better enhance the low-band energy and dive degree)