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Intime SORA: Giant killer IEMs from Japan?
May 7, 2021 at 6:53 PM Post #496 of 1,037
KalvinK said:
I'm looking to get the Nagi but seems like there's a lot of fitting issue here. Ive tried the Kira and I really liked it. From what o heard , the Nagi's mids and highs are similar to kira's but have a more accurate and better extended bass. Does the Nagi's vocals sound warm in any sense?
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I've been using Nagi exclusively for a while now with 4.4mm balanced cable but not before doing some comparison with some of my other IEMs. However bear in minds that I might get the terms wrong and this is purely from my memories as I've done the A-Bing quite some time ago :

Kira : Compared with Nagi, it seems that Kira has slight extension at mid-bass until low-mids region, as I find it a bit warmer in mids and the bass not to be as tight and fast as Nagi. Having said that, Nagi do have a hint of warmth and far from being cold. Kira seems to have more sparkle on the treble which seems nicer at times but for me treble in Nagi is more natural. Nagi wins in terms of soundstage and layering.

Tin T4 : At first I was convinced that I prefer Sora 2 over T4 but in overall, Sora2 still not a match for T4 although it's still a nice sounding IEM. Compared with Nagi, from bass to mids seems simillar for both Nagi & T4, at least for me. The treble in T4 seems harsher than Nagi, maybe due to the DD. Treble in Nagi seems to have more sparkle and maybe recessed at higher end of the frequency whereby not for T4 thus creating the perception of harshness that I've mentioned just now. Being less harsh, the detail retreival of Nagi seems better though it sounds more natural in T4. Soundstage and layering is better in T4 although not by much.

With Nagi now having the most usage from balanced port, my T4 is having the most usage from unbalanced port. Though Sora2 is very nice fun sounding IEM, I find myself grabbing my T4 most of the time I'm using unbalanced port.
 
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May 10, 2021 at 11:37 PM Post #497 of 1,037
Kejusan said:
I've been using Nagi exclusively for a while now with 4.4mm balanced cable but not before doing some comparison with some of my other IEMs. However bear in minds that I might get the terms wrong and this is purely from my memories as I've done the A-Bing quite some time ago :

Kira : Compared with Nagi, it seems that Kira has slight extension at mid-bass until low-mids region, as I find it a bit warmer in mids and the bass not to be as tight and fast as Nagi. Having said that, Nagi do have a hint of warmth and far from being cold. Kira seems to have more sparkle on the treble which seems nicer at times but for me treble in Nagi is more natural. Nagi wins in terms of soundstage and layering.

Tin T4 : At first I was convinced that I prefer Sora 2 over T4 but in overall, Sora2 still not a match for T4 although it's still a nice sounding IEM. Compared with Nagi, from bass to mids seems simillar for both Nagi & T4, at least for me. The treble in T4 seems harsher than Nagi, maybe due to the DD. Treble in Nagi seems to have more sparkle and maybe recessed at higher end of the frequency whereby not for T4 thus creating the perception of harshness that I've mentioned just now. Being less harsh, the detail retreival of Nagi seems better though it sounds more natural in T4. Soundstage and layering is better in T4 although not by much.

With Nagi now having the most usage from balanced port, my T4 is having the most usage from unbalanced port. Though Sora2 is very nice fun sounding IEM, I find myself grabbing my T4 most of the time I'm using unbalanced port.
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Thanks a lot for the nagi impression. Will be looking to get a used one. Does the fitting and driver flex that everyone mentions bother you?
 
May 11, 2021 at 1:46 AM Post #498 of 1,037
KalvinK said:
Thanks a lot for the nagi impression. Will be looking to get a used one. Does the fitting and driver flex that everyone mentions bother you?
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Foam tips will work 99% of the time to eliminate driver flex but sound wise, I'll go with silicone tips most of the time. It will require some try and error and the unreleases pressure in the ear will be quite uncomfortable but I'm used to it by now. It's a shame that Nagi is a limited edition or else they will get a lot of sales with this one, I believe.
 
May 11, 2021 at 1:55 AM Post #499 of 1,037
Kejusan said:
Foam tips will work 99% of the time to eliminate driver flex but sound wise, I'll go with silicone tips most of the time. It will require some try and error and the unreleases pressure in the ear will be quite uncomfortable but I'm used to it by now. It's a shame that Nagi is a limited edition or else they will get a lot of sales with this one, I believe.
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what source do you use for the nagi 4.4? what type of tuning synergizes well with nagi?
 
May 11, 2021 at 7:48 AM Post #500 of 1,037
Kejusan said:
Foam tips will work 99% of the time to eliminate driver flex but sound wise, I'll go with silicone tips most of the time. It will require some try and error and the unreleases pressure in the ear will be quite uncomfortable but I'm used to it by now. It's a shame that Nagi is a limited edition or else they will get a lot of sales with this one, I believe.
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That's what most of the user said
 
May 11, 2021 at 10:58 AM Post #501 of 1,037
KalvinK said:
what source do you use for the nagi 4.4? what type of tuning synergizes well with nagi?
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I'm using WM1A as the source and I would describe the sound of my 1A (region E) as neutral & natural at the same time, with slight focus on the treble side. I've only tried Nagi with my 1A and smart phone (Galaxy S9) and the sound in general is the same, maybe less detailed and technical on the phone rather than from 1A.
 
May 14, 2021 at 10:03 PM Post #502 of 1,037
mt877 said:
# Custom_Intime_Kira
See [usage instructions](https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq#usage) for more options and info.

### Parametric EQs
In case of using parametric equalizer, apply preamp of **-6.5dB** and build filters manually
with these parameters. The first 5 filters can be used independently.
When using independent subset of filters, apply preamp of **-6.6 dB**.

| Type | Fc | Q | Gain |
|:--------|:---------|:-----|:--------|
| Peaking | 30 Hz | 0.37 | 6.3 dB |
| Peaking | 494 Hz | 0.38 | -4.8 dB |
| Peaking | 1493 Hz | 1.21 | -2.3 dB |
| Peaking | 5476 Hz | 1.97 | 2.5 dB |
| Peaking | 16349 Hz | 0.13 | 6.2 dB |
| Peaking | 2595 Hz | 4.37 | 1.0 dB |
| Peaking | 4021 Hz | 3.07 | -2.1 dB |
| Peaking | 4380 Hz | 4.15 | 0.9 dB |
| Peaking | 4625 Hz | 5.89 | 1.3 dB |
| Peaking | 16211 Hz | 2.05 | -0.3 dB |

### Fixed Band EQs
In case of using fixed band (also called graphic) equalizer, apply preamp of **-9.1dB**
(if available) and set gains manually with these parameters.

| Type | Fc | Q | Gain |
|:--------|:---------|:-----|:--------|
| Peaking | 31 Hz | 1.41 | 7.0 dB |
| Peaking | 62 Hz | 1.41 | 3.2 dB |
| Peaking | 125 Hz | 1.41 | 0.4 dB |
| Peaking | 250 Hz | 1.41 | -2.8 dB |
| Peaking | 500 Hz | 1.41 | -3.9 dB |
| Peaking | 1000 Hz | 1.41 | -4.0 dB |
| Peaking | 2000 Hz | 1.41 | -1.9 dB |
| Peaking | 4000 Hz | 1.41 | 3.3 dB |
| Peaking | 8000 Hz | 1.41 | 6.9 dB |
| Peaking | 16000 Hz | 1.41 | 8.6 dB |

Custom_Intime_Kira.png## Kira EQ graph ##
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mt877 said:
Ok, sorry folks if this stuff is bugging anyone, but nobody has been complaining.
The Sora 2 seems to have some traction in this forum thread, so why not do an EQ pass for this earphone as well.

Sora 2 FR graph from: https://banbeu.com/graph/iem/intime-sora-2/ Thanks for your measurements! No copyright infringement intended.



# Custom_Intime_Sora-2
See [usage instructions](https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq#usage) for more options and info.

### Parametric EQs
In case of using parametric equalizer, apply preamp of **-6.3dB** and build filters manually
with these parameters. The first 5 filters can be used independently.
When using independent subset of filters, apply preamp of **-6.3 dB**.

| Type | Fc | Q | Gain |
|:--------|:--------|:-----|:--------|
| Peaking | 19 Hz | 0.5 | 6.2 dB |
| Peaking | 241 Hz | 0.54 | -6.0 dB |
| Peaking | 701 Hz | 1.39 | 4.4 dB |
| Peaking | 4329 Hz | 0.65 | 6.9 dB |
| Peaking | 9356 Hz | 0.54 | -4.4 dB |
| Peaking | 1541 Hz | 3.03 | -1.3 dB |
| Peaking | 2530 Hz | 1.97 | 1.2 dB |
| Peaking | 4085 Hz | 1.82 | -1.6 dB |
| Peaking | 6179 Hz | 1.25 | 1.8 dB |
| Peaking | 7383 Hz | 3.14 | -2.2 dB |

### Fixed Band EQs
In case of using fixed band (also called graphic) equalizer, apply preamp of **-6.2dB**
(if available) and set gains manually with these parameters.

| Type | Fc | Q | Gain |
|:--------|:---------|:-----|:--------|
| Peaking | 31 Hz | 1.41 | 5.9 dB |
| Peaking | 62 Hz | 1.41 | 0.1 dB |
| Peaking | 125 Hz | 1.41 | -2.5 dB |
| Peaking | 250 Hz | 1.41 | -6.2 dB |
| Peaking | 500 Hz | 1.41 | 0.4 dB |
| Peaking | 1000 Hz | 1.41 | 2.0 dB |
| Peaking | 2000 Hz | 1.41 | 1.2 dB |
| Peaking | 4000 Hz | 1.41 | 6.0 dB |
| Peaking | 8000 Hz | 1.41 | -2.0 dB |
| Peaking | 16000 Hz | 1.41 | -2.6 dB |


## Sora 2 EQ graph ##

I don't have Sora 2, but looks like one I should get. A little bass boost via EQ will probably bring the Sora 2 to another level.

Anyway, enjoy. I'll stop this stuff now unless someone wants me to do another EQ pass on a different Intime earphone... you provide the FR graph... takes work to find them.
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I've tried these EQ for both Sora 2 and Kira and I have different impression on each.

For Sora 2, the Harman curve has raised up its' mids which was originally recessed (relative to bass and treble), while for Kira, it brings down the mids slightly. So it brought good impression for Sora 2 and not so good impression for Kira. So I meddled with the EQ mids and the mids become more revealing with the good amount of bass. Maybe it lacks the rumble of a good sub bass but I'm liking it so far. When I switched back to Nagi, the mids seems a tad bit recessed but overall tonality of Nagi (no EQ) still feels natural.

Mind doing the Harman Neutral for Nagi?

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Couldn't think of anything wrong with the current FR but it might suprise me, or at least the contrast in sound (if any) will make it seems interesting. @zenki hope you wouldn't mind I'm sharing your graph.
 
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May 15, 2021 at 1:08 AM Post #505 of 1,037
@Kejusan, Harman EQ for Nagi...

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# Custom_Intime_Nagi
See [usage instructions](https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq#usage) for more options and info.

### Parametric EQs
In case of using parametric equalizer, apply preamp of **-6.6dB** and build filters manually
with these parameters. The first 5 filters can be used independently.
When using independent subset of filters, apply preamp of **-6.6 dB**.

| Type | Fc | Q | Gain |
|:--------|:--------|:-----|:--------|
| Peaking | 23 Hz | 0.34 | -2.7 dB |
| Peaking | 238 Hz | 0.09 | -1.8 dB |
| Peaking | 2844 Hz | 0.93 | 7.8 dB |
| Peaking | 5464 Hz | 2.93 | 7.8 dB |
| Peaking | 8392 Hz | 1.01 | -8.5 dB |
| Peaking | 548 Hz | 4.34 | 1.0 dB |
| Peaking | 978 Hz | 1.42 | -1.1 dB |
| Peaking | 1007 Hz | 4.39 | 2.0 dB |
| Peaking | 6835 Hz | 2.05 | 0.7 dB |
| Peaking | 6881 Hz | 5.59 | -1.4 dB |

### Fixed Band EQs
In case of using fixed band (also called graphic) equalizer, apply preamp of **-7.5dB**
(if available) and set gains manually with these parameters.

| Type | Fc | Q | Gain |
|:--------|:---------|:-----|:--------|
| Peaking | 31 Hz | 1.41 | -4.2 dB |
| Peaking | 62 Hz | 1.41 | -2.1 dB |
| Peaking | 125 Hz | 1.41 | -2.1 dB |
| Peaking | 250 Hz | 1.41 | -1.4 dB |
| Peaking | 500 Hz | 1.41 | -1.0 dB |
| Peaking | 1000 Hz | 1.41 | -1.3 dB |
| Peaking | 2000 Hz | 1.41 | 3.4 dB |
| Peaking | 4000 Hz | 1.41 | 7.8 dB |
| Peaking | 8000 Hz | 1.41 | -7.8 dB |
| Peaking | 16000 Hz | 1.41 | 0.7 dB |

Custom_Intime_Nagi.png

## Nagi EQ graph ##

Looks like entire bass region may be tamed, but still allow some bass rumble. Low mids are slightly lowered (250 to 500), while upper mids and highs get a boost, maybe bringing some extra sparkle. Let us know what your impressions are.
 
May 15, 2021 at 10:50 AM Post #506 of 1,037
I didn't think of this before, if any of you are using Android phone or DAP and running Wavelet app you can import the custom Intime GraphicEQ file(s) for the earphones you have (as long as they are ones with Harman EQ created).

Enjoy!
 

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May 15, 2021 at 12:10 PM Post #507 of 1,037
mt877 said:
@Kejusan, Harman EQ for Nagi...

11492875.jpg


# Custom_Intime_Nagi
See [usage instructions](https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq#usage) for more options and info.

### Parametric EQs
In case of using parametric equalizer, apply preamp of **-6.6dB** and build filters manually
with these parameters. The first 5 filters can be used independently.
When using independent subset of filters, apply preamp of **-6.6 dB**.

| Type | Fc | Q | Gain |
|:--------|:--------|:-----|:--------|
| Peaking | 23 Hz | 0.34 | -2.7 dB |
| Peaking | 238 Hz | 0.09 | -1.8 dB |
| Peaking | 2844 Hz | 0.93 | 7.8 dB |
| Peaking | 5464 Hz | 2.93 | 7.8 dB |
| Peaking | 8392 Hz | 1.01 | -8.5 dB |
| Peaking | 548 Hz | 4.34 | 1.0 dB |
| Peaking | 978 Hz | 1.42 | -1.1 dB |
| Peaking | 1007 Hz | 4.39 | 2.0 dB |
| Peaking | 6835 Hz | 2.05 | 0.7 dB |
| Peaking | 6881 Hz | 5.59 | -1.4 dB |

### Fixed Band EQs
In case of using fixed band (also called graphic) equalizer, apply preamp of **-7.5dB**
(if available) and set gains manually with these parameters.

| Type | Fc | Q | Gain |
|:--------|:---------|:-----|:--------|
| Peaking | 31 Hz | 1.41 | -4.2 dB |
| Peaking | 62 Hz | 1.41 | -2.1 dB |
| Peaking | 125 Hz | 1.41 | -2.1 dB |
| Peaking | 250 Hz | 1.41 | -1.4 dB |
| Peaking | 500 Hz | 1.41 | -1.0 dB |
| Peaking | 1000 Hz | 1.41 | -1.3 dB |
| Peaking | 2000 Hz | 1.41 | 3.4 dB |
| Peaking | 4000 Hz | 1.41 | 7.8 dB |
| Peaking | 8000 Hz | 1.41 | -7.8 dB |
| Peaking | 16000 Hz | 1.41 | 0.7 dB |


## Nagi EQ graph ##

Looks like entire bass region may be tamed, but still allow some bass rumble. Low mids are slightly lowered (250 to 500), while upper mids and highs get a boost, maybe bringing some extra sparkle. Let us know what your impressions are.
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Done the Harman EQ for Nagi :

Bass : Recessed with no rumbles but still controlled. Definitely prefer the bass without EQ.

Mids : Recessed on lower mids. Higher mids seems elevated and sparkle, which seems nice at first but most likely it was the contra sounds that made the new sounds seems nicer.

Treble : Elevated on some freq which adds extra sparkle, which is always nice, but not on all tracks. Plus with the recessed bass, it becomes too treble focused, though admittedly good on some tracks.

Verdict : This doesn't work for Nagi. Raising a tad bit (0.5 to 1.5 db) of higher mids and lower treble (depends on track) should cut it for Nagi, at least for me. And if I want to do that, might as well I switch to Kira and raise some of the bass as it sounded better. I can still enjoy Nagi with EQ turned off. I can see myself listening to Sora 2 with Harman EQ, but we'll see.
 
Jul 4, 2021 at 3:13 PM Post #509 of 1,037
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