inside pictures of a singlepower mpx-3

[Earwax]

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Originally Posted by tom hankins 3. Is the amp in question broke?

The original post on this thread (before multiple edits) said that the amp pictured was opened up in order to repair a loose connection.

 

[braillediver]

Seeing the defensive nature and amount of work it’s taken to get these pictures posted and discussed who knows what issues exist with these amps.

It’s funny suddenly build quality, attention to detail, layout and execution are unimportant.


Mitch

 

[mjg]

ahh man guys.

Look, i'm not on team single power, but i've heard pretty much his entirely line of amps.

Look, any way you slice it, if you heard one of his maestro zr, or supra amps, you'd eat your words if you comment based on looks alone. I will agree with everyone that the insides do look well, kind of make shift, but hell, what do i know? I'm no amp designer, and i can assert right now that a good 99% of you aren't electrictians or engineers and have no way to jump to any of your prejudice conclusions.

I won't pucker up to mikhail, but i will say that you should atleast give him the benefit of the doubt. His amps sounds really good. I hate how people all clamor on here, it's like some freaking cult. In fact it reminds me of a bunch of little kids arguing in the playground.I suggest you all hear the amp then comment, or just keep it to yourselves, (or start a seperate thread with people just want to comment based on looks alone, since that means so much?). The only conspiracy here is the one percieved. If you honestly feel he is too intimidated to come in here and comment, perhaps he is just taken by the whole thing and insulted? Why on earth would he feel to justify his work and quality to a bunch of people that seem NOT to respect him?

He has enough crediability, clientelle and respect in the industry to probablly need not a dime of anyone here that doesn't seem to respect his work. Perhaps you are all right? I don't know, but atleast give the benefit of the doubt... and if you really wanted a profound understanding, why not stop making assumptions and really understand what your dealing with?

 

[taoster]

What has the sound of the amp got to do with the wiring work done? Nothing!

The pictures shows the wiring and that's what reservations are based on. The wiring is obviously chaotic to anyone, whether it is robust is an issue that a skilled designer can comment on. But believe it or not, science follows nature incredibly well. Things that looks bad are probably bad, things that looks dangerous are probably dangerous and things that looks like spaghetti wiring are spaghetti wiring!

 

[Wodgy]

Let me make this absolutely clear: there is nothing wrong with posting pictures of a patented design. The whole point of patents is to protect a design given full disclosure to the public. You can go to the patent office web site and download complete schematics of any patented design, which are clearer and more complete than any photo.

If someone is telling you that you cannot post pictures of a patented design, they're simply not telling the truth, have absolutely zero understanding of the law, or are trying to hide something.

Trade secrets are a different matter.

BTW, I personally don't see anything wrong with this kind of wiring, as long as it works. It shows a lack of attention to detail in comparison to other quality gear, but the sound is what counts in the end. There were vintage units that were wired as poorly as this (e.g. Fisher units) as well as vintage units that were wired with obvious care (e.g. Tektronix units).

 

[00940]

Does anyone in Europe have a singlepower ? I'm affraid they would be rejected at the customs. No way they'd pass by EC standards

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by braillediver It’s funny suddenly build quality, attention to detail, layout and execution are unimportant. Mitch

Funny right? The other day some of the members were bashing a Rudi design for the same issues, now nobody cares, and is sound what matter? Hummmm, curious right? Click here for more info

 

[tom hankins]

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Originally Posted by rickcr42 Tom,I am very happy for youi that you found an amp you like but the very reson there are questions from the Head-fi membership is because every single time there ARE question the thread mysteriously goes bye bye and now when they see an attempt by the manufacturer to directly control what is out there they get suspicious ,as would anyone who did not own the amp. i think this is reasonable ,and for the amount of money a potential customer would be spending to ask a couple of questions about some doubts is not out of bounds at all. No one is really crapping on the product but potential customers just want it straight and not the "official party line" version .They are not stupid and they see the closing of the ranks every time this amp comes up. a valid discussion that needs to go on-as long as it remains civil guys,keep it clean and on topic enjoy the discussion guys

I was thinking the thread is about the build quailty of the SinglePower amps. IMO they have passed the three things needed to be thought of as a quality product and Company.

1. Sound Quality
2. Reliability
3. customer service

I would like to see some facts that the products are causing fires and breaking down right and left. All the break down theories I'm reading about are pure speculation, and should be taken that way. It seems that the problem every one has is the looks of the insides, not the build quality. I have not been reading about the amps breaking down, only about they might. But the fact is they havn't been and there are alot of them out there.
As far as the censership thing goes, I dont have a clue who said what to who, to many different stories by to many people. As far as the closing of the ranks go. I can only comment on how my amp has held up. It's on ALL THE TIME and I have had zero problems. I have not heard about quality issues from other owners either. If people dont like the looks of the inside of the amp thats there business, but dont say that the looks cause quality problems, because they have not.

 

[Rob N]

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Originally Posted by 00940 Does anyone in Europe have a singlepower ? I'm affraid they would be rejected at the customs. No way they'd pass by EC standards

I'm in the UK with 3 Singlepower amps and a forth on the way.

 

[mikeg]

My new SinglePower SDS is arriving tomorrow, and I fully expect it's sound to be spectacular. After taking in the chorus of negativity on this thread, regarding the lack of esthetic beauty of Mikhail's wiring, I'm now commited to never open up the unit, which of course I never intended to do anyway. I'm getting the unit in order to be enthralled by its sound, and not to stare in wonderment at the artistry of its guts. As far as I'm concerned, Tom's view is closest to mine. As for Mikhail responding to the nit-picking comments in this thread, I think that he'd be nuts to do so. It would be like setting loose a person covered with honey, among a colony of hungry ants. The ants would pick him to death. Sorry for my critical comments, but it's just the way that I feel.

 

[Rob N]

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Originally Posted by mikeg My new SinglePower SDS is arriving tomorrow, and I fully expect it's sound to be spectacular. After taking in the chorus of negativity on this thread, regarding the lack of esthetic beauty of Mikhail's wiring, I'm now commited to never open up the unit, which of course I never intended to do anyway. I'm getting the unit in order to be enthralled by its sound, and not to stare in wonderment at the artistry of its guts. As far as I'm concerned, Tom's view is closest to mine. As for Mikhail responding to the nit-picking comments in this thread, I think that he'd be nuts to do so. It would be like setting loose a person covered with honey, among a colony of hungry ants. The ants would pick him to death. Sorry for my critical comments, but it's just the way that I feel.

I agree.

BTW must check inside all my other electronic equipment to check on the wiring

 

[tom hankins]

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Originally Posted by braillediver Seeing the defensive nature and amount of work it’s taken to get these pictures posted and discussed who knows what issues exist with these amps. It’s funny suddenly build quality, attention to detail, layout and execution are unimportant. Mitch

How can you say that the quality, design and execution of these amps is below par when they are dead quiet with any phones at any volume, they have a reputation for being very reliable and the sound is (to most that have heard them) great? Until you can come up with some facts that the design of these amps is causing break downs or poor sonic quailty dont you think your assumtions are a little of base? From the way the amps have held up the only issues they have had so far are the ones people are guessing at. If your speculatrions where true the amps would have had some problems by now. They have not. So I guess that means the layout, design, and execution are spot on.
Hmmmmmmmmm...They sound great, they are reliable, excellent customer service. Sounds fishy to me..

 

[Wodgy]

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Originally Posted by bhd812 well then post the pics, all over if you want to, I cant stop you post them again j/k

Put me in touch with the person who took the pictures, so I can get his permission, and I'd be happy to post them again.

 

[bhd812]

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Originally Posted by tom hankins How can you say that the quality, design and execution of these amps is below par when they are dead quiet with any phones at any volume, they have a reputation for being very reliable and the sound is (to most that have heard them) great? Until you can come up with some facts that the design of these amps is causing break downs or poor sonic quailty dont you think your assumtions are a little of base? From the way the amps have held up the only issues they have had so far are the ones people are guessing at. If your speculatrions where true the amps would have had some problems by now. They have not. So I guess that means the layout, design, and execution are spot on. Hmmmmmmmmm...They sound great, they are reliable, excellent customer service. Sounds fishy to me..

this thread is about the inside of a mpx3, nothing about the sound..

keep on subject please

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by Wodgy Put me in touch with the person who took the pictures, so I can get his permission, and I'd be happy to post them again.

No need of that, mitch already did it again on page 3 of this same thread....

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Originally Posted by braillediver If the manufacturer wants to comment on his design philosophy or his construction technique please enlighten us. These pictures were not taken from Bhd812’s post. If the manufacturer contacts me I will post any correspondence we have openly since I have nothing to hide. I am posting the pictures to stimulate debate. Mitch