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Oct 4, 2021 at 11:46 PM Post #1,126 of 1,768
Is the Zen dac compatible with windows 11 Ver. 22468.1000?

I haven't gotten mine yet, it'll be in my greedy hands on Wednesday.
 
Oct 5, 2021 at 12:45 AM Post #1,128 of 1,768
Is the Zen dac compatible with windows 11 Ver. 22468.1000?

I haven't gotten mine yet, it'll be in my greedy hands on Wednesday.
I can tell you first hand that the 3.2 drivers operate perfectly under windows 11 from the release build up. Sounds just as good as you would expect - no different from Windows 10.

ifi has yet to re-release the 5.3 drivers that they pulled about 2 months ago.
 
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Oct 5, 2021 at 4:44 PM Post #1,129 of 1,768
I can tell you first hand that the 3.2 drivers operate perfectly under windows 11 from the release build up. Sounds just as good as you would expect - no different from Windows 10.

That's factually correct, yes.

ifi has yet to re-release the 5.3 drivers that they pulled about 2 months ago.

Do you mean the non-MQA firmware?
 
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Oct 5, 2021 at 5:01 PM Post #1,130 of 1,768
That's factually correct, yes.



Do you mean the non-MQA firmware?
Nope - I mean the 5.3 drivers for windows that were released and pulled from the downloads site. The drivers allowed for 384 KHz native PCM. Version 3.2 only allows a max 192 kHz over PCM.

5.3 was completely missing the firmware upgrade utility. (See previous posts)
 
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Oct 5, 2021 at 5:02 PM Post #1,131 of 1,768
Nope - I mean the 5.3 drivers for windows that were released and pulled from the downloads site. The drivers allowed for 384 KHz native PCM. Version 3.2 only allows a max 192 kHz over PCM.

5.3 was completely missing the firmware upgrade utility. (See precious posts)

OK, now I see it. I'll ask around internally!
 
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Oct 5, 2021 at 5:34 PM Post #1,132 of 1,768
OK, now I see it. I'll ask around internally!
Sure. No sense rushing them - notably, the next round of drivers HAS to include firmware upgrade tools. Windows 11 specific support would be handy (if it isn't just slapping a sticker on the driver) and 384 KHz PCM will make it so we can leverage PCM natively to the full extent of Zen DAC v2.
 
Oct 6, 2021 at 3:46 AM Post #1,133 of 1,768
Windows 11 specific support would be handy

Can you elaborate what you mean? I assume it's about compatibility with that OS, or am I missing something?

And is the current way of installing new FW not good enough? What sort of extra tools do you have in mind?
 
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Oct 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM Post #1,134 of 1,768
1) I am suggesting that if there are any specific validation activities that need to be done to ensure that ifi's next driver set is deemed compliant with what Windows deems mandatory to be complaint with Windows 11, that its better the developers ensure its addressed in the next release. So far no issues, but I also don't know if there are any specifics that are relevant for Windows 11, as I am not a driver developer. Doesn't seem that way, but I don't know for sure. (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/what-s-new-in-driver-development)

2) The current way is fine, but, again, ifi chose to provide NO way in the 5.3 drivers for windows. Then ifi pulled 5.3. We are waiting on the next release that HAS to include the utility to upgrade/change firmware.
 
Oct 6, 2021 at 4:20 PM Post #1,135 of 1,768
1) I am suggesting that if there are any specific validation activities that need to be done to ensure that ifi's next driver set is deemed compliant with what Windows deems mandatory to be complaint with Windows 11, that its better the developers ensure its addressed in the next release.

You worry too much :wink:

So far no issues, but I also don't know if there are any specifics that are relevant for Windows 11, as I am not a driver developer. Doesn't seem that way, but I don't know for sure. (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/what-s-new-in-driver-development)

If Windows 11 creates any specific demands, our R&D will meet them head on I'm sure :wink:

2) The current way is fine, but, again, ifi chose to provide NO way in the 5.3 drivers for windows. Then ifi pulled 5.3. We are waiting on the next release that HAS to include the utility to upgrade/change firmware.

If the current way is fine, we're good then, but I'll check where we are with FW5.3 :)
 
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Oct 6, 2021 at 5:38 PM Post #1,136 of 1,768
You worry too much :wink:



If Windows 11 creates any specific demands, our R&D will meet them head on I'm sure :wink:



If the current way is fine, we're good then, but I'll check where we are with FW5.3 :)
I’m not at all worried. Really. In behest of ifi better interests, it looks kinda sloppy to produce updates, have them be incomplete, pull them, and give no update on when or how releases will be brought back. Not to be a hard sell here, but I have not seen a single open request from ifi get answered in this channel - not that ifi has to of course. I have seen lots of “I will get that information…” which is a good sentiment….

So when will see that firmware that supports full MQA decode on DACv1 that was promised? …

I was trying to be nice.

It would be kinda silly to have to release another set of drivers only to have to pull them because the developers “missed a spot” when validating functionality and compatibility. Developing stuff is hard. I get it.
 
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Oct 6, 2021 at 10:20 PM Post #1,137 of 1,768
I just got my Zen DAC V2 today and I have to say it's a nifty device, and it sounds pretty good paired with my Grado RS1e, I've updated to the 7.20c all is good.
 
Oct 6, 2021 at 11:51 PM Post #1,138 of 1,768
O.K. I'm a believer, the Grado RS1e and the Zen DAC V2 are an arranged marriage of two technologies coming together in sonic bliss...
My Grado's will never be hooked to another dac/amp, they be stuck together:gs1000smile:

I was thinking I made a mistake for buying the RS1e, I'm glad I didn't act rashly!
 
Oct 7, 2021 at 6:50 AM Post #1,139 of 1,768
O.K. I'm a believer, the Grado RS1e and the Zen DAC V2 are an arranged marriage of two technologies coming together in sonic bliss...
My Grado's will never be hooked to another dac/amp, they be stuck together:gs1000smile:

I was thinking I made a mistake for buying the RS1e, I'm glad I didn't act rashly!

Thanks! Grado RS1e are solid cans for their price and we already got feedback that they work nice with ZEN DAC in general. If you'll ever decide to upgrade that system, ZEN CAN would be the way to go.

So when will see that firmware that supports full MQA decode on DACv1 that was promised? …

All ZEN DAC V1 machines won't be able to fully decode MQA, which means that we won't be releasing a firmware for them that will provide this functionality.
 
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Oct 7, 2021 at 9:11 AM Post #1,140 of 1,768
Thanks! Grado RS1e are solid cans for their price and we already got feedback that they work nice with ZEN DAC in general. If you'll ever decide to upgrade that system, ZEN CAN would be the way to go.


Don't tempt me...:smiling_imp:
 

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