iFi iDSD Micro DSD512 / PCM768 DAC and Headphone Amp. Impressions, Reviews and Comments.
Mar 10, 2016 at 3:16 AM Post #5,536 of 9,047
  There is too much to be read here so pardon if this has been asked.
 
I am looking to build up a full iFi set and I am really confused by all the iFi products that I do not know where to begin and which product to begin with.
 
My previous dac/amp was the Centrance Dacmini that I purchased years ago and I am looking for something that can compete and do better than that.
I am also curious how the iTube can come in as well as the purifier.
 
So can someone please enlighten me on where I can start?
 
Also, with iFi constantly generating newer versions of their products, I do not know when I should make the purchase for fear that they may manufacture a new iDSD for example soon.
 
Thank you very much!

It's a bit tricky without knowing what you want, how you plan to use it and how much you want to spend? Do you want an amp and a separate DAC or the 2 combined? Do you need something portable or will it be desktop based? Lots of key questions that only you can answer
 
Maybe worth a trip to your local dealer so you can see the various options before running amok with a credit card.Plus you want to hear what you are getting.....no?
 
If it were me though I'd take a look at the nano iDSD and micro iDSD on the ifi Audio website as these would be good starting points in offering you something which will provide a ready made system to begin with and then which you can build up a full system around later with iUSB or iP2 or iTube as you see or hear fit.
 
I like that ifi are relentlessly moving the game onward and are not just sitting back. It means that they will be able to keep pace with developments and most of these can be added to an existing set up such as the iP2 to bring better SQ levels and in fairness their products are astonishing value for money. 
 
Hope thats a small help at least?
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 4:49 AM Post #5,537 of 9,047
   
Hi
 
The iDSD micro requires a battery to be present and to hold at least some charge in order to turn on. If the battery fitted is totally dead, it will not turn on.
 
However, it is perhaps important to understand the definition of 'bad battery.' Generally a modern battery is considered 'expired' once its capacity has dropped to 70% of rated capacity. It means the battery is still functional, but no longer meets the minimum specification on capacity.
 
If operated in 'cyclic' mode, that is charged fully and discharged fully, around 300 - 400 complete charge cycles are possible before this point is reached. To reach this cycle life it is important to avoid frequently charging the battery when very low (< 15 Degrees) or very high temperatures  (> 35 degrees Celsius) prevail, as this will shorten lifespan/number of cycles. As iFi products use modern batteries, as they lack the so-called 'memory effect,' so there is no penalty from partial charge cycles (read: we recommend to keep topping-up!).
 
The iDSD micro will operate in 'cyclic' mode if turned off 'hard' and recharge the battery to 100% charge state for maximum capacity in (portable) use. So if the battery is charged and discharged every day it will show appreciable loss of capacity after about 1 year of use, but will likely remain usable at reduced (and further declining) capacity for several more years.
 
An alternative mode is (incorrectly) referred to as 'float-charging' from the old lead acid batteries used in this mode. Here the iDSD is meant to be always powered and thus the battery is re-charged only to around 80% charge state. This charge was in independent research found to give the overall largest increase in 'shelf life.' This is used automatically if the iDSD micro remains turned on during charging. If enough external power is available (e.g. 1.5A from the iUSB3.0 or from a BC 1.2 Compatible charger or Hub) the battery will very rarely or never draw upon to deliver power. Under such conditions a 'floated' lifespan (with the same definition of 70% capacity) of 3-5 years over a temperature range of 10 to 40 Degrees Celsius is expected, longer with less extreme temperatures.
 
It should be noted that at 70% capacity the battery is still fully functional and has only lost 30% of its capacity (due to chemical reactions). So it is likely to last at continuously reducing capacity for more than time span that it took to get to 70% capacity given continued identical use.
 
So in practice, an iDSD micro that is used at normal room temperature and run of a permanent power source with enough current1 and is permanently switched on, should operate trouble and maintenance free for likely at least 7 - 10 years if not more. Replacement batteries are available, just ask your retailer/distributor to have the iDSD serviced.
 
One last caveat, try avoiding hard drops of the iDSD nano or micro, lithium based batteries tend to take excessive mechanical shock quite badly, in addition to the mentioned avoidance of excessive heat or cold during charging. For discharging fairly high temperatures of up to 60 degrees Celsius and fairly low temperatures down to as low as - 10 degrees Celsius are acceptable but will decrease lifespan as well, so better to keep Lithium Polymer batteries at a reasonable comfortable room temperature.
 
1In this context 'power source with enough current' means a power supply or charger that offers at least 1000mA under a recognised USB power limit signaling, e.g USB BC1.2 (the official USB standard). This means most modern high current chargers except some older Samsung, most Chinese domestic model chargers and anything Apple, as these all operate non USB-Standard methods of indicating a dedicated charger with high power attached, as opposed to a standard 500mA USB Port, which are not recognized under BC1.2.


Thank you for this very detailed response in answering my question iFi.  Because the iUSB3.0 amazingly makes the iDSD micro sound even more silent between musical notes than powering from it's built in battery and used 90% of the time on my desktop computer, I will have the iUSB power the micro and leave on 24/7 to 'float charge' as you indicated for maximum battery life.
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 7:41 AM Post #5,538 of 9,047
 
Thank you for this very detailed response in answering my question iFi.  Because the iUSB3.0 amazingly makes the iDSD micro sound even more silent between musical notes than powering from it's built in battery and used 90% of the time on my desktop computer, I will have the iUSB power the micro and leave on 24/7 to 'float charge' as you indicated for maximum battery life.

 
Hi,
You havent tried it on non-iFi DACs?  We get some nice comments from shocked customers.
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Mar 10, 2016 at 7:58 AM Post #5,539 of 9,047
  There is too much to be read here so pardon if this has been asked.
 
I am looking to build up a full iFi set and I am really confused by all the iFi products that I do not know where to begin and which product to begin with.
 
My previous dac/amp was the Centrance Dacmini that I purchased years ago and I am looking for something that can compete and do better than that.
I am also curious how the iTube can come in as well as the purifier.
 
So can someone please enlighten me on where I can start?

 
We looked up the Centrance DACmini. Nice product. What aspect do you want to improve?
 
If you want better Headphone performance - adding a Headphone Amp might do the trick.
If you want to improve the line out performance, maybe a Tube Buffer/Preamp?
If you use the USB inputs, recent years have brought notable advances here in treating some of the problems inherent to USB (not that SPDIF is lacking them).
If you do want a new DAC and desire higher sample rates, then there are options too, choices depend if you need SPDIF inputs or not, portability etc.
 
Best you go here and make your own decisions:
http://ifi-audio.com/improve/
 
 
Originally Posted by Matter /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
Also, with iFi constantly generating newer versions of their products, I do not know when I should make the purchase for fear that they may manufacture a new iDSD for example soon.
 
Thank you very much!

 
Not sure about that. Modern technologies proceed apace and we dont hang about as shown by our achieving DSD512/PCM768 for products that cost US$500. Apple introduces a new generation of iPhone/iPad/MB every 6 months.
 
For a long time we have been broadening our product line-up, rather than replacing existing products on a like-for-like basis. After spinning off from AMR, iFi has gone from 4 products in 2012 to 23 in 2016.
 
We have only recently started to refresh the whole micro line up, especially the older units that have been in production largely unchanged since summer 2012. As such the iDAC pretty much enjoyed a three year model life, before being replaced by the iDAC2.
 
Hope this sheds more light.
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Mar 10, 2016 at 9:49 AM Post #5,540 of 9,047
 
Hi,
 
This is actually described in the very post you quoted, where it says: "Voltage Amplification stage -> Power Buffer", it is used strictly as buffer to produce more current than the Tubestate circuit provides.
 
Cheers.

 
Strange, because the 6120A2 is typically used as single-IC amp solution, instead of simple current buffer after another VAS stage.
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 10:53 AM Post #5,541 of 9,047
 
   
Hi,
 
This is actually described in the very post you quoted, where it says: "Voltage Amplification stage -> Power Buffer", it is used strictly as buffer to produce more current than the Tubestate circuit provides.
 
Cheers.

 
Strange, because the 6120A2 is typically used as single-IC amp solution, instead of simple current buffer after another VAS stage.

 
Sounds like they're using it almost like a capacitor. Makes sense as the iCan has no internal battery.
 
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 1:16 PM Post #5,543 of 9,047
Hello iFi

I'm using my Miicro idsd solely as my DAC for my home stereo system (using direct out).
With your latest products out, would you suggest any changes/additions that would give me a significant upgrade in SQ compared to how I'm using the Micro now?
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 1:33 PM Post #5,544 of 9,047
Hello iFi

I'm using my Miicro idsd solely as my DAC for my home stereo system (using direct out).
With your latest products out, would you suggest any changes/additions that would give me a significant upgrade in SQ compared to how I'm using the Micro now?


Yes, get the iPurifier 2.
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM Post #5,545 of 9,047
A bit long but nice review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKP1NAqvvJ4 which makes me add.....

Hello iFi

I'm using my Miicro idsd solely as my DAC for my home stereo system (using direct out).
With your latest products out, would you suggest any changes/additions that would give me a significant upgrade in SQ compared to how I'm using the Micro now?


Yes, get the iPurifier 2.


.... and an iFi Mercury and/or all the usb stuff from iFi. If you can afford it it relly looks like the way to go.
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 4:12 PM Post #5,546 of 9,047
A bit long but nice review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKP1NAqvvJ4 which makes me add.....
.... and an iFi Mercury and/or all the usb stuff from iFi. If you can afford it it relly looks like the way to go.


Thanks for your replies. I've already using an Uptone Regen between my laptop (running Foobar2000) and the Micro.
I'm currently reading favorable reviews of people using the Regen with the iusb3 but the iusb3 is beyond my budget, so will try and find more reviews on a purifier2/Regen combo.
Next tweak is to bypass the Regen's internal reg and insert a lifepo4 battery so just waiting on the battery to try this.
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 4:56 PM Post #5,547 of 9,047
Thanks for your replies. I've already using an Uptone Regen between my laptop (running Foobar2000) and the Micro.
I'm currently reading favorable reviews of people using the Regen with the iusb3 but the iusb3 is beyond my budget, so will try and find more reviews on a purifier2/Regen combo.
Next tweak is to bypass the Regen's internal reg and insert a lifepo4 battery so just waiting on the battery to try this.

 
How about the Nano iUSB3.0? 
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http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/nano-iusb3-0/
 
Mar 10, 2016 at 10:00 PM Post #5,549 of 9,047
   
How about the Nano iUSB3.0? 
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http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/nano-iusb3-0/

iPurifier2 will be a better choice because @marcus1 already have Uptone Regen.
In my opinion, combo Uptone Regen (or iUSBPower) + iPurifier2 will be better than Nano iUSB3.0 if iPurifier2 has same level of REclock/REgenerate, REbalance technology when compared to Nano iUSB3.0
Is it right @iFi-Audio ?
And iPurifier2 could be used with iDSD for portable music as well :)
 
Mar 11, 2016 at 12:08 AM Post #5,550 of 9,047
  iPurifier2 will be a better choice because @marcus1 already have Uptone Regen.
In my opinion, combo Uptone Regen (or iUSBPower) + iPurifier2 will be better than Nano iUSB3.0 if iPurifier2 has same level of REclock/REgenerate, REbalance technology when compared to Nano iUSB3.0
Is it right @iFi-Audio ?
And iPurifier2 could be used with iDSD for portable music as well :)

 
yes, iFi i'd be interested in this ,too...would an ipurifier be suggested with the nano iusb 3.0?
i read with the micro iusb 3.0 not so much needed...
(at bottom of page)
http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-ipurifier2/
 
but the nano 3.0?
provided one is using quality cables ie gemini, mercury other, as well?
 

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