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Dec 4, 2016 at 2:13 PM Post #7,111 of 9,047
Measurements vis-à-vis sound quality - part 1


At AMR/iFi, we go against the tide to some degree as we tend to refrain from publishing reams and reams of test data. There are those who like to pour over pages upon pages of test reports and get excited seeing 0.003% THD figures or 126dB SNR. We aren’t in that category.



This is because:

 
  • Making reliable measurements is not a ‘5 minute job.’ It takes hours if not a full day or two to properly execute.
  • Processing the raw test data for understandable publication takes even more time.
  • Most importantly, measurements shed little (if any) light on sound quality.


1. Making reliable measurements

As John Atkinson of Stereophile will attest, using an Audio Precision 2 measurement platform is not trivial. Complex measurements executed on such precise systems are significantly more challenging than checking DC voltage on a fully automatic multimeter. 

Take our previous iPOWER article as an example; while internally we measure constantly, we don't publish the specs until we have everything out of the way. To share with an outcome this specific, it takes at least one full day of proper test rig setup, calibration and recalibration. It’s as far from just sticking two probes somewhere and reading the display as it gets. The takeaway is that the AP2 takes time and effort and then needs to be checked and re-checked.

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2. Processing raw data takes time

Each test or measurement provides more or less precise data but only provides a singular answer to one very specific question above all else; the Volt DC, THD&N or SNR figures…



Now, measuring DC (ideally under nominal load - which complicates things) tells one if a power supply operates on the most basic level. It tells one nothing about how much noise the power supply generates, which is far more informative. Point being, a basic digital multimeter is unable to measure the noise of a good quality power supply.

However, the results of many different measurements performed on a device, inform us about the device’s performance in strictly one specific test. The only conclusion that can be drawn from these procedures is if the device works as intended within the limits of each test. 



If we aimed for 0.005% THD and 0.05% THD is measured, we know that something is off as the product doesn’t work as intended. Said measurement result is needed in order to seek out the problem and correct it, therefore it is useful in this specific case. Yet what it does not provide is any indication of sound quality, none at all.

3. Measurements don't track sound quality

Whole audio systems’ (headphones based and full-sized stereo) frequency response measurement is the only ‘tool’ designers currently have that shed light on audible quality. There is no other which would reliably correlate with what most of us would call ‘good sound’. And even though its usefulness has been proven to a reasonable degree, there are often exceptions. Therefore even this measurement is far from perfect.

There are strong indications that time-domain’s performance impact is far greater than previously thought. Yet its measurements methods aren’t standardised thus far and research with proper correlation has generally low statistical significance.

Past frequency and time-domain performance, as long as - for example - harmonic and intermodulation distortion is lower than its audibility limit (something that is incidentally not captured by the common ‘THD&N’ measurement), the distortion itself is inaudible. 



Similar qualifications of "as low as it's low enough" apply to noise and pretty much any other current audio measurement. So once a reasonable basic level of performance has been established in terms of traditional audio measurements, improving these parameters – ceteris paribus - does not provide improved sound quality.

As to what is audible, this is a complex multi-dimensional picture and contains material for several doctorates and a professorship (at least). 

"To illustrate the limits of distortion audibility and the utter uselessness of THD as a measure of quality please consider this. 
For a 100Hz tone played at 100dB (arguably very loud) 2nd harmonic distortion lower than 3% and 3rd harmonic distortion lower than 1% will be completely inaudible. Yet if the 30th harmonic exceeds 0.003% this will be audible and has been shown to be objectionable. 


So in one case a system with 3% THD at 100dB SPL would pass the ‘no audible distortion’ criteria. While in another case a system with 0.003% THD would not pass the ‘no audible distortion’ criteria!"


This is of course hardly news, distortion audibility discussions are already known from dawn days of high fidelity in the 1950's. Yet this article provides a summary of the Audio of Distortion Audibility ca. 1957 state of knowledge and sadly, not much progress has been made since:

How Little Distortion can we hear

This extreme ambiguity in terms of measured performance with subjective sound quality correlation is one of the reasons why we do not generally publish extensive measurement results. It simply would be a waste of time, bits, electricity and paper.

And realistically, while we have our own views how “good sound” may be measured, to develop and promote such a system of tests is far outside the scope of a commercial operation and even if we were inclined to do so anyway, it would be likely as much of a fool’s errand as the work of D.E.L. Shorter of the BBC, Harry F. Olson of RCA and ongoing to Earl & Linda Geddes has been treated as by the audio engineering profession in general. ‘Chocolate fireguard’ springs to mind!

This is where our story's part one ends. Stay tuned, in the next one we'll shed some light on stuff we prefer to do.
 
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Dec 4, 2016 at 2:18 PM Post #7,112 of 9,047
I agree about measurements is not everything, and then even measurements and numbers do tell it own part of the story. Great read above

Also, human hearings are surprisingly good if they are trained and if it is into the familiarity that they were trained and practicing with. Some distortions is not hear-able or observable. But they do come under the form of Harshness, muddiness, grainy, and even canceling out microscopic details

I am glad to see how far IFI is doing in the developments :D and loving the stuff that you guys are sharing and posting
 
Dec 4, 2016 at 7:48 PM Post #7,114 of 9,047
Where did you pick up this one? Google-fu picked up only your post ...
 
 To illustrate the limits of distortion audibility and the utter uselessness of THD as a measure of quality please consider this.  For a 100Hz tone played at 100dB (arguably very loud) 2nd harmonic distortion lower than 3% and 3rd harmonic distortion lower than 1% will be completely inaudible. Yet if the 30th harmonic exceeds 0.003% this will be audible and has been shown to be objectionable. 

 
Arguably, if you got 30th harmonics above 0.0, you may more into the radio transmitter business than audio amplification 
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The link you posted does not seem to describe well the "audible by who?" criteria.
How many individuals where part of the test?
How was the human judgement test performed?
Here's a more recent study, and an audible graph, which restricts the harmonic powers to audio more than radio:
 
http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/audibility-of-distortion-at-bass/total-harmonic-distortion-thd
 
 

 
Dec 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM Post #7,115 of 9,047
This answer is SPECIFIC to my Sennheiser HD-650s.  For all our other headphones/earplugs there is little to no difference between the iFi Micro and ASGARD 2 beyond the ASGARD 2 can get them louder, but BOTH make our other headphones louder than we could ever listen to them.
I've described it before in other posts, I LOVE the iFi Micro as DAC with my ASGARD 2.  If I compared just using the iFi Micro as a DAC with the ASGARD 2 vs Just using the iFi Micro alone, I'd say that the iFi Micro is REALLY good, getting it up to around 90% of what I get out of the ASGARD 2, but there is just a little more definition, wider soundstage, and just a little more "weight" to music when my headphones are powered by the ASGARD 2. 


I'm trying to connect my micro idsd to Asgard 2. Is there any configuration that a must do in the idsd and Asgard to get your same results?

Thank you
 
Dec 5, 2016 at 12:22 PM Post #7,116 of 9,047
  Where did you pick up this one? Google-fu picked up only your post ...
 

 
It is summarised and paraphrased from:
L.D. Fielder, E.M. Benjamin , “Subwoofer Performance for Accurate Reproduction of Music”, J. Aud. Eng. Soc., Vol. 36, No. 6, pp. 443-456 (1988 June). You might not remember it 
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  Arguably, if you got 30th harmonics above 0.0, you may more into the radio transmitter business than audio amplification 
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The 30th harmonic of 100Hz is 3kHz and the 30th harmonic of 300Hz is 9kHz. It should be noted here that the fundamentals of many instruments and of human voices fall into the 100 - 300Hz region. So the 30th harmonic is very relevant to audio. 
 
  Here's a more recent study, and an audible graph, which restricts the harmonic powers to audio more than radio

 
As the study cited restricted itself to on the 2nd to 5th harmonic it is next to useless in modern audio systems where often quite high order distortion products at low but significant levels exist. 
More curious is why someone would invest time and effort in a study which merely confirms prior work done multiple times and has not been designed to give any meaningful improvement over prior work, indeed it seems a retrograde step over research that is decades old and published in the JAES.
 
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Dec 5, 2016 at 12:24 PM Post #7,117 of 9,047
I'm trying to connect my micro idsd to Asgard 2. Is there any configuration that a must do in the idsd and Asgard to get your same results?

Thank you

As per usual in such cases, please use our STS platform, we'll surely help you with your issue there.
 
http://support.ifi-audio.com/
 
Thanks!
 
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Dec 5, 2016 at 2:10 PM Post #7,119 of 9,047
  It is summarised and paraphrased from:
L.D. Fielder, E.M. Benjamin , “Subwoofer Performance for Accurate Reproduction of Music”, J. Aud. Eng. Soc., Vol. 36, No. 6, pp. 443-456 (1988 June). You might not remember it 
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Thanks, I have not read it at all. Google did not pick up the quote as that's a private AES paper.
 
 The 30th harmonic of 100Hz is 3kHz and the 30th harmonic of 300Hz is 9kHz. It should be noted here that the fundamentals of many instruments and of human voices fall into the 100 - 300Hz region. So the 30th harmonic is very relevant to audio. 

 
I was clearly joking, I can multiply 100 by 30 
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My point is that, if your audio design emits 30th harmonics at a significant level, you are doing something wrong.
I would also be curious about the human judgement testing procedure, because without that, I can state I hear 0.000001% distortion and nobody can argue.
The reason papers w/out an agenda restricts to a sane harmonic levels (<8) is because you've got to be doing things really really wrong (hence the radio joke) in order for your design to emit 30th harmonics.
Take a silly opamp, implement the silly data sheet example circuit, and 100Hz 30th harmonic distortion residuals will be way down the audibility floor.
100 Hz is trivial to get it right, because the phase of NFB is pretty much 180deg spot on.
More critical are higher frequencies eventually, but then, higher harmonics fall out of the audibility range (and follow up devices FR).
 
 

 
Dec 6, 2016 at 5:24 PM Post #7,120 of 9,047
Does anyone get a BL version yet? How's the SQ? Is there any changes in the amp area? Looking for a portable powerful dac/amp to drive my T1.
 
Dec 8, 2016 at 3:59 PM Post #7,123 of 9,047
  @iFi audio Why didn't you guys implement the 2 step bass boost in the iDsD BL like the one on the ican se?

Because it's not iCAN SE. Some features are reserved for specific products for a number of reasons, not every device we deliver can have every bit of our proprietary tech. For example, real estate limitations! 
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Dec 8, 2016 at 4:09 PM Post #7,124 of 9,047
Measurements vis-à-vis sound quality - part 2

Part 2: So what is our approach?

So there you have it. Measurements shed not much light on sound quality is our core belief. And that’s the key reason behind why we measure minimally and audition maximally. And we mean a lot of man hours.

As for our somewhat different stance, this is how we prefer to approach things:

1. To listen, listen and then listen even more, systematically and blindfolded as much as possible. 
2. To show the internal components and the changes where we apply in our products.
3. To let people to listen and decide for themselves if they like the sound of the product or not. ‘Under the hood’ knowledge and personal experience is all they need. 

OK, but to say that one has to listen isn’t good enough for many enthusiasts. As discussed previously, measurements aren’t very helpful outside of our skunkworks, hence let’s leave these to one side for the moment.

But we understand that some of you need something direct, a proof and a basis of an improvement from one model to its next iteration. This we can happily provide. Below you’ll find two sides of Micro iDSD Black Label’s PCB. These show the exact internal components which were upgraded in comparison to the original iDSD model. Yes, 34 elements in total are behind why (thankfully!) people are hearing for themselves from customers who have taken a ‘sip’ of our own Black Label. 



 

 

The Digital Engine:

D1. DAC Power supply upgraded with iFi custom ultra-low noise Operationsverstärker OV2028
D2. DAC reference voltage decoupling changed to Panasonic audio-grade ECPU film capacitors
D3. Digital power supplies upgraded with ultra-low impedance Panasonic OSCON capacitors
D4. GMT® Femto precision clock system power supply upgraded for super low phase-noise/jitter

The Analogue section:

A1. Analogue section upgraded with iFi custom low noise FET input Operationsverstärker OV2627
A2. Analogue power supplies upgraded with Ultra-low impedance Panasonic OSCON capacitors
A3. 3D+® performance-tuned
A4. XBass+® performance-tuned
A5. Re-designed Output Stabilisation network for less distortion

For 3D+® & XBass+® we adjusted based on wide ranging customer feedback after a period of field testing different adjustments.

The next step is in the listening.
 
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