iFi audio ZEN Stream - Streaming elevated to a higher plane

Aug 13, 2023 at 2:58 PM Post #5,371 of 6,294
The combination of LAN iSilencer and Zen Stream is KILLER. This combo beats any digital front-end (fancy streamers and reclockers) I’ve had in my system :xf_cool:

That is impressive in itself but even more impressive is the fact that, going from memory and notes, I’m hearing things that were uncovered only by two different Antipodes (with MSB DAC’s)! I’m not saying that the iFi combo is as good as those but it’s alarmingly close. Then again I’ve heard streamers costing nearly as much as the Antipodes that aren’t competitive with the iFi combo…

If you’re looking at a streamer costing as much as €10k do yourself a favor and compare it to the iFi’s. You might just end up with a better sounding system and saving €9,5k. Just awesome :L3000:
 
Aug 14, 2023 at 7:11 AM Post #5,373 of 6,294
The Lan silencer is great. I have two. I also tried and was surprised by how great it was adding IFI’s USB Isilencers to the Zen streams USB A ports so I bought another for the other one.

Now I am wondering if it would further improve if I bought a third Isilencer for the USB-C port on the back as well - if it could fit - anyone tried that?

Nb. The isilencers only worked / was worth it after an upgraded to a great LPS and also mechanically grounded the zen streamer with ansuz darkz and used the Lan silencers as well.
 
Aug 14, 2023 at 8:16 AM Post #5,374 of 6,294
The combination of LAN iSilencer and Zen Stream is KILLER. This combo beats any digital front-end (fancy streamers and reclockers) I’ve had in my system :xf_cool:

That is impressive in itself but even more impressive is the fact that, going from memory and notes, I’m hearing things that were uncovered only by two different Antipodes (with MSB DAC’s)! I’m not saying that the iFi combo is as good as those but it’s alarmingly close. Then again I’ve heard streamers costing nearly as much as the Antipodes that aren’t competitive with the iFi combo…

If you’re looking at a streamer costing as much as €10k do yourself a favor and compare it to the iFi’s. You might just end up with a better sounding system and saving €9,5k. Just awesome :L3000:
Thanks for giving it a go, it worked well for me so I am glad you are hearing improvement as well!

Cheers!!
 
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Aug 14, 2023 at 8:17 AM Post #5,375 of 6,294
The Lan silencer is great. I have two. I also tried and was surprised by how great it was adding IFI’s USB Isilencers to the Zen streams USB A ports so I bought another for the other one.

Now I am wondering if it would further improve if I bought a third Isilencer for the USB-C port on the back as well - if it could fit - anyone tried that?

Nb. The isilencers only worked / was worth it after an upgraded to a great LPS and also mechanically grounded the zen streamer with ansuz darkz and used the Lan silencers as well.
The USB C port on the back is only used for servicing the unit, so no need for one there. :beerchug:

Cheers!!
 
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Aug 14, 2023 at 8:35 AM Post #5,376 of 6,294
No one?

I v

Hi thanks!
Well Ive tried those steps but no luck.
I cant reach Ifi.local. Its just saying that the adress is wrong and the app wont open.

Sometimes it shows up in mconnect but then it disapear again.

And also;
I cant turn my unit off. How do I do that?
Try clicking on this in your current browser, I use Chrome and have no issues...

http://ifi.local/settings

Cheers!!
 
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Aug 14, 2023 at 8:39 AM Post #5,377 of 6,294
Thanks for your suggestion about the iSilencer. The first impressions are very positive 👍
How has it changed things in your view, just genuinely curious? As others have said here, Ethernet protocols are self-healing by design—TCP/IP has built-in error checking that automatically sends back dropped packets or errors to be resent, and any failure of this process would not lead to any improved sound quality (ones and zeros don’t have a sound)—they would just cause stuttering or dropouts, which would require an element in the chain to be outright faulty. There’s all sorts of brands capitalizing on this concept of “audiophile networking” and making a fortune, when the principle behind that term literally makes no technological sense (and with all apologies for the cliche, is highly suspicious for meeting the definition of snake oil).

I shelled out cash early on for iFi’s coaxial “purifier” and convinced myself that it made a difference, until a wiser person than myself explained digital audio clearly to me. I’d heard all the raves about how these products lifted veils from their DACs etc, but once I understood that a digital audio stream does not contain any audio elements that could actually influence the resulting sound quality, and really thought about how reading errors among ones and zeroes would manifest, I realized that what I was imagining was impossible.

Correcting “errors” in the reading frame would not make the resulting analog signal more musical, or have any impact on frequency response, imaging, soundstage, timbre, or any of those analog concepts. If such a device did anything, it would just reduce the number of reading frame errors sent to my DAC, which would lead to a reduction in outright gobbledygook (stuttering, clicks, pops, dropouts) coming from my amplifier.

No offense intended to those who have bought these things (I’m one of them) and are happy with the results—just passing along the wisdom offered to me in hopes to save others from parting ways with their hard-earned cash unnecessarily. I’m as obsessive as anyone else about sound quality, and since on some days I think my entire system sounds better than others, I’ve become a true believer in cognitive bias—especially after I’ve made the investment already and my conscience needs these things to overcome buyer’s remorse! :)
 
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Aug 14, 2023 at 10:23 AM Post #5,378 of 6,294
The USB C port on the back is only used for servicing the unit, so no need for one there. :beerchug:

Cheers!!

Thanks. It’s because I am using the coax output but when plugging in the two USB Isilencers in the two unused ports I was able to remove a fair amount of noise from the sound. So it got me thinking that maybe RMI/EMI also got in by the ‘open’ USB C PORT. May I ask if you tried it or maybe it’s just a dead port and not connected to the sound aspects of the streamer or something - do you know?
 
Aug 14, 2023 at 2:20 PM Post #5,379 of 6,294
How has it changed things in your view, just genuinely curious? As others have said here, Ethernet protocols are self-healing by design—TCP/IP has built-in error checking that automatically sends back dropped packets or errors to be resent, and any failure of this process would not lead to any improved sound quality (ones and zeros don’t have a sound)—they would just cause stuttering or dropouts, which would require an element in the chain to be outright faulty. There’s all sorts of brands capitalizing on this concept of “audiophile networking” and making a fortune, when the principle behind that term literally makes no technological sense (and with all apologies for the cliche, is highly suspicious for meeting the definition of snake oil).

I shelled out cash early on for iFi’s coaxial “purifier” and convinced myself that it made a difference, until a wiser person than myself explained digital audio clearly to me. I’d heard all the raves about how these products lifted veils from their DACs etc, but once I understood that a digital audio stream does not contain any audio elements that could actually influence the resulting sound quality, and really thought about how reading errors among ones and zeroes would manifest, I realized that what I was imagining was impossible.

Correcting “errors” in the reading frame would not make the resulting analog signal more musical, or have any impact on frequency response, imaging, soundstage, timbre, or any of those analog concepts. If such a device did anything, it would just reduce the number of reading frame errors sent to my DAC, which would lead to a reduction in outright gobbledygook (stuttering, clicks, pops, dropouts) coming from my amplifier.

No offense intended to those who have bought these things (I’m one of them) and are happy with the results—just passing along the wisdom offered to me in hopes to save others from parting ways with their hard-earned cash unnecessarily. I’m as obsessive as anyone else about sound quality, and since on some days I think my entire system sounds better than others, I’ve become a true believer in cognitive bias—especially after I’ve made the investment already and my conscience needs these things to overcome buyer’s remorse! :)
Agree with you and your wise friend.

My conviction is that one of the main opportunities for improvement lies within digital transmission at the physical layer of the OSI model. And this is actually where iFi is focusing its efforts with the LAN iSilencer:

The LAN iSilencer has a zero-jitter memory buffer and galvanically-isolated inputs to eradicate digital distortion.

The LAN iSilencer boasts premium galvanic isolation technology, where electrical circuits are separated to eliminate stray currents. Audio signals can pass between galvanically isolated circuits to block differences in ground potential or currents induced by AC power.


Conclusion
It’s all about electrical noise in the physical part of the transmission that is the problem and it can lead to the DAC ”misinterpreting” the signals. This is why cleaner electrical signals can lead to better sound. No sourcery :wink:

Edit: Added a conclusion. My post was half finished because I had to rush. Sorry.
 
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Aug 15, 2023 at 8:55 AM Post #5,380 of 6,294
Agree with you and your wise friend.

My conviction is that one of the main opportunities for improvement lies within digital transmission at the physical layer of the OSI model. And this is actually where iFi is focusing its efforts with the LAN iSilencer:

The LAN iSilencer has a zero-jitter memory buffer and galvanically-isolated inputs to eradicate digital distortion.

The LAN iSilencer boasts premium galvanic isolation technology, where electrical circuits are separated to eliminate stray currents. Audio signals can pass between galvanically isolated circuits to block differences in ground potential or currents induced by AC power.


Conclusion
It’s all about electrical noise in the physical part of the transmission that is the problem and it can lead to the DAC ”misinterpreting” the signals. This is why cleaner electrical signals can lead to better sound. No sourcery :wink:

Edit: Added a conclusion. My post was half finished because I had to rush. Sorry.
This is spot on! It certainly is about making sure the electrical signals are as clean as possible so there is no misinterpreting by the DAC because of.

A brilliant way of dumbing it down in my eyes, lol, or as they say laymen terms

Thank you for this!

Cheers!!
 
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Aug 15, 2023 at 8:56 AM Post #5,381 of 6,294
Thanks. It’s because I am using the coax output but when plugging in the two USB Isilencers in the two unused ports I was able to remove a fair amount of noise from the sound. So it got me thinking that maybe RMI/EMI also got in by the ‘open’ USB C PORT. May I ask if you tried it or maybe it’s just a dead port and not connected to the sound aspects of the streamer or something - do you know?
I do not believe it is in line with any of the sound aspects but I will ask this question for you.

In terms of us "audiophiles tinkering" It never hurts to try something, lol

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Aug 21, 2023 at 1:55 PM Post #5,382 of 6,294
Folks, there is a new firmware version available for the Zen Stream!

V2.32.9 Brings Airplay 2 to the Zen Stream, Updates can be done thru the app or ifi.local under Settings-System-Check for updates...

Cheers!!
 
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Aug 21, 2023 at 2:05 PM Post #5,383 of 6,294
Folks, there is a new firmware version available for the Zen Stream!

V2.32.9 Brings Airplay 2 to the Zen Stream, Updates can be done thru the app or ifi.local under Settings-System-Check for updates...

Cheers!!
Folks, there is a new firmware version available for the Zen Stream!

V2.32.9 Brings Airplay 2 to the Zen Stream, Updates can be done thru the app or ifi.local under Settings-System-Check for updates...

Cheers!!
Apparently the Roon Only Mode is working now, unlike the betafirmware I was using until today. As for Airplay, I've never used it with the ZS but with my Hegel amp the upgrade to Airplay 2 was a clear downgrade from Airplay. Less stable and slightly worse sound quality (although I admit this may be my ears fooling me). I was never a huge fan but just stopped using it.
 
Aug 22, 2023 at 2:34 PM Post #5,385 of 6,294
How does airplay 2 works with the zen stream?

I did the update and tried to stream (via airplay from a MacBook Pro 2018) a 24/06 Flac from tidal app but the zen stream still gets 16bit sample rates.

How is that different from before? Is there another way to send lossless signal to the zen stream without using the tidal connect way?
 

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