iFi audio Pro iDSD Signature and Pro iCAN Signature - The Pro range just got better!

Oct 4, 2021 at 7:23 AM Post #106 of 1,010
Ok more on the gain on the iFi Signature iCan Amp...

When using the larger XLR connectors either a single SE into the right XLR jack or a 4 pin center XLR jack the volume control in at 9 oclock to 10 oclock with varying source material...dependent on how "hot" they were recorded. Some folks decide to use replay gain in their music players to equalize the output of varying songs to avoid having to move the volume control on each song to achieve the level they want...

This am I tried using the balanced 4.4mm pentacom output jack with an adapter from 4pin xlr to 4.4mm and voila the volume control can be now moved to the 10am to 12 noon position with most source material at the 0 db gain setting.

So what if any detriment is there using the 4.4mm output vs the single SE or balanced 4 pin xlr sonically ?

NOTE: In the past I thought the three gain settings were 6/9/18 db..WELL I AM WRONG! Its 0db/9db/18db...so I have to stop complaining the there is no 0 db gain setting!! Sorry iFi....

Alex
 
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Oct 6, 2021 at 12:26 AM Post #107 of 1,010
So what if any detriment is there using the 4.4mm output vs the single SE or balanced 4 pin xlr sonically ?

NOTE: In the past I thought the three gain settings were 6/9/18 db..WELL I AM WRONG! Its 0db/9db/18db...so I have to stop complaining the there is no 0 db gain setting!! Sorry iFi....

Not to worry!

Technically, there is none if I remember correctly. All different answers to the same question.

Thanks for the great review you posted as well.
 
Oct 12, 2021 at 8:50 AM Post #108 of 1,010
I laud the efforts to make things "better" but dont let anyone tell you the prior TOTL generation of iFi ICan Amp or ifi Pro DSD are any slouches!!
It would take a person with dog and or bat ears to hear real world discernable differences....and with really very well resolving headphones etc...

Alex
 
Oct 12, 2021 at 4:08 PM Post #109 of 1,010
I laud the efforts to make things "better" but dont let anyone tell you the prior TOTL generation of iFi ICan Amp or ifi Pro DSD are any slouches!!
It would take a person with dog and or bat ears to hear real world discernable differences....and with really very well resolving headphones etc...

Alex

Appreciate your support bud.

At this point, I should just refer people to you when they ask these kinds of questions to us LOL!
 
Oct 12, 2021 at 4:11 PM Post #110 of 1,010
Seb....glad to help...I call it the way it is.....and your stuff is really decent for sure....pricing, well we all want it for free but now-a-days its getting crazy out there...

So many good choices out there...

My iFi stuff will be here for awhile for sure!!

Alex
 
Oct 13, 2021 at 7:43 AM Post #112 of 1,010
i have a few questions which I can’t find a concrete answer on the reviews.
how does the streamer work? Does it have a dedicated mobile app? How can I play (or access) the music from microSD and USB host?
I’m planning to buy this signature edition for my pro ican but can’t find answers to my questions on the internet.

Apologies for not addressing your questions, they were lost along the way. In short, the free app for Pro iDSD is called WiiM Player. That's the one that allows for playback from a card or external storage.
 
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Oct 13, 2021 at 10:05 PM Post #113 of 1,010
Will the Pro iCAN Signature be available to demo at next week's Toronto Audio Fest? I'd really love to try it out.
 
Oct 14, 2021 at 5:01 AM Post #114 of 1,010
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Oct 18, 2021 at 8:17 AM Post #115 of 1,010
How much better does the Signature sound?

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TL; DR. Pro iCAN a good +10% but the Pro iDSD is a really nice +20%.

You asked us – so we asked our Lead Tech: Colin F to fire up the Stax 009s+iESL and play some of his most demanding tracks and to report his findings.

Here’s what Colin said:

"The original Pro series is already sonically superb, with its unique sense of drive and rhythm. It’s musical, especially set to ‘Tube’ position, my favourite. The Signature version adds even better audiophile parts in critical areas and revises the input section of the amplifier section. Think of having an F1 race car but once developed (Original), you then take it round Silverstone to refine it painstakingly further to the max (Signature).

The Pro iCAN Signature sounds a touch more resolved, especially noticeable in the midrange, and it has a slightly inkier dark background. Overall, a worthwhile improvement that draws you in before you know it!

The star of the show for me though, is the Pro iDSD Signature.

The team worked hard to lower the noise on the regulator circuits in the digital engine and on the analogue power supply. That translates into even lower jitter.

The output stage has received some revision for its operating parameters, and there are even better parts than the original.

When I first put it on it was love at first listen, the depth hits you! Transparent and musical, it’s masterful at letting you hear exactly what is in a recording without sounding like its thrusting detail at you, a nifty but difficult trick to attain. Not that the original Pro iDSD is any slouch, just that the Signature sounds like it’s taken the original design and optimised everything. Which indeed is what’s been done!"


Music Notes

Walking on the Moon (Police) - this track has some great hi-hats and cymbals, also the reverb added in the left channel tells quite a bit about how natural it’s sounding. At 3:12, the snare drum should ‘crack’ with a single-double hit, instant thwack on the Stax! You should be able to hear the skin of the snare. The hi-hats afterwards have their own distinguishable sound character, easily lost on lesser systems. The reverb in the left channel should sound like natural room ambience, not like it’s a swooshing hiss. The Pro iDSD Sig lets you hear it easily and suspended in limitless depth.

Can’t Stand Losing You (Police) - shouldn’t sound metallic or flat. Proper depth lets you hear the ambience through all the compression and rolled-off top end. The voice is very forward, lesser systems put Sting about level with the drum kit.

Blow Out (RadioHead) - distortion easily heard on multiple dubs at around 0:24. Cymbals shimmer at 1:21, they have that intense sheen easily glossed over on a 2D system, it can end up sounding like noise instead of shimmer. After 3:40 the guitar solo begins to intensify. Be careful the soundstage doesn’t collapse into a smear of distortion; it should remain clear and supporting instruments easily heard in their own separate recording chambers

How I Made My Millions (RadioHead) - lots of stuff happening in the background, moving items, snare drum resonating, zip tinkling against the piano, piano stool creaking. Colin Greenwood is rocking on the stool. The piano itself should have clear harmonics - the Pro iDSD Sig conveys that well, it’s quite comparable to real life.
Mahler Symphony No.2, Minnesota Orchestra, BIS The orchestra tone shouldn’t be cold or steely. The hall ambience and its dimension should be easy to attain with no extra HF noise. There is lots of depth on this recording, and a system with proper depth resolution will let you hear it.

Bartók, String Quartet No.2, 2nd movt. Takács String Quartet, Decca. One of my references for string tone. The string positions shouldn’t be flat, they have a modicum of real space and air that’s mostly missed on solid state systems. The four players are arranged in a semicircle, and you can hear their feet tapping the wooden stage floor. The chamber ambience shouldn’t be dry, and you can hear it swirl around the players. The 1st violin tone is intensely full of harmonics. All this is virtually inaudible on lesser systems.
 
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Oct 18, 2021 at 6:12 PM Post #118 of 1,010
100% Agree. At this level of the game... a 3 year warranty seems industry standard. Reasonable for a much more limited warranty against tubes given the user related variables.... Just seems odd for such a well respected company with high performing units (that folks love) to only offer 12 months.
 
Oct 19, 2021 at 4:08 PM Post #119 of 1,010
Well lets hope iFI will be honest and upfront with all its customers that have spent thousands of dollars on their PRO gear.....

That said the iFi iCAN Pro Signature amp working with the OG iFi DSD dac has been a stellar performance here. My new ADX 5000's with this combo is startling good...
Running with these bright cans, and I dont like too bright cans...using the amp in its Tube + mode, with the dac set to DSD 1024 with the TA filter is about as good as a sound I have heard from a dynamic headphone....including the Focals, etc....

9.99/10.

Play some really bright stuff like Gordin Goodwins brassy BIG PHAT BAND XXL....you can listen at lound levels and its not sibilant at all....really close to real life. Brassy stuff can be piercing etc....and its hard to do well. This combo does it spot on.

This is using the SE (right) XLR/SE jack and connected via balanced in's from the iFi dac...

Superb..
 
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Oct 20, 2021 at 3:09 PM Post #120 of 1,010
I've been a long time user of the Ifi iDSD Pro and immediately regretted selling it a few weeks back. There was a shift in my listening to where a portable DAP made a little more sense and I could use the desk space, but I've come full circle back to the iDSD Signature this time and I love it. I didn't have them at the same time, so I cannot really provide any meaningful comparison unfortunately. I will say, however, that the Signature sounds incredible with all my gear and I love the tube setting (which is still incredibly resolved, detailed and clear-sounding). The new power supply oozes quality and I appreciate the new gold accents on the device. All my listening is done on high-end IEMs, for which this device is probably overkill for, but damn does it sound good with Legend Evo and Unique Melody Mason FS.

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Huge thanks to @Andrew DiMarcangelo over at Bloom Audio for getting this beauty to me quickly, with outstanding customer service as always. Super, super happy with this...and well done @iFi audio!

-Collin-
 

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