iFi audio NEO Stream - Sweet Streams!

Nov 19, 2022 at 3:04 PM Post #526 of 1,533
I've never used it but I think it's the control App for streaming engines that use MConnect. Something like BluOS App for BluOS enbaled devices, I guess. btw, I haven't used MConnect for a while. I use Roon. So, I wouldn't risk teeling much about it. A year ago, I would say it would yield very good sound quality.
Thanks. I've just acquired the Lite version just now to play about with it first and decide whether to pay the £4.99 for the full version later on. So far it's really good, easy to navigate and sound quality is excellent. Apart from a few adverts on the screen with the Lite version it's hard to see what the full version will give me for Qobuz that the Lite doesn't.
tbh there is no app that I have chucked at the Neo yet that hasn't given me excellent sound quality.
 
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Nov 19, 2022 at 4:08 PM Post #528 of 1,533
Thanks. I've just acquired the Lite version just now to play about with it first and decide whether to pay the £4.99 for the full version later on. So far it's really good, easy to navigate and sound quality is excellent. Apart from a few adverts on the screen with the Lite version it's hard to see what the full version will give me for Qobuz that the Lite doesn't.
tbh there is no app that I have chucked at the Neo yet that hasn't given me excellent sound quality.
Don't know. Never used the Lite version
 
Nov 20, 2022 at 4:12 AM Post #529 of 1,533
Just FYI, I published my impressions here.
This is in Russian. Sorry guys, I don't have time to translate to English, (google translate can help if anybody is interested - not sure if it properly works :wink: )

That is an absolutely fantastic review. I'm only just catching up with older posts on this thread so I wish I had known about this review a few days ago when I first bought the Neo because it answered quite a few of the queries I had.

Edit: I was particularly interested in your section on how to play Qobuz. Would I be correct in saying that the only way to achieve above 44.1k is to use the Mcconnect app because if you use the Qobuz app itself it is limited by what Apple Airplay is capable of? When playing back a track at 96k on the Qobuz app my DAC showed that it was only playing at 44.1k, yet when I used the Mconnect app the DAC showed 96k correctly.
 
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Nov 20, 2022 at 9:09 AM Post #530 of 1,533
The NEO and The Zen Stream…


At this point we have come to a head-to-head battle of the NS and ZS, the purpose was to see whether one delivers a better streaming sound/experience over the other. What follows is what was used for the test that I put together over the course of two days. I have had the Zen Stream since June of 2021, and the NEO since October of this year.

After some thought and feedback from members The equipment I used here will hopefully give a fair insight into what both of these fantastic units will bring to your system.

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Equipment used:

iFi Audio ZEN Stream
iFi Audio NEO Stream w/Optibox
Denafrips Ares II
Geshelli Labs Archel 2.5XL

The streamers were connected using Wireworld Ultraviolet Coaxial cables direct to the two inputs of the Ares II to allow for easy switching. Roon was used because of the ability to output to two zones simultaneously, and all music came from Qobuz in their original sample rate. I did not list headphones as I used many including IEMs, some are listed in my signature. The output of the Ares II was XLR direct to the Geshelli. Both the NS and the ZS were using a wired ethernet connection.

General thoughts…

Both of these streamers offer a solid streaming experience over and above a direct PC connection. Both of these streamers deliver solid performance, are there hiccups or glitches occasionally in both, yes of course, and honestly I haven’t owned a streamer or PC/MAC that didn’t have the occasional snafu, be it the streamer itself or the streaming service or the actual network in use. I think we can all agree that simply sometimes there are just inconsistencies, nothing is perfect… nothing.

My thoughts…

The differences between these two streamers are immense, that is in terms of the Units themselves, one is a basic unit, and one is a “full-blown tricked out” unit offering extensively more outputs and features over the other. There is such a difference between these two that it is almost unfair to compare one to the other in terms of what they offer and on top of that one is 3x the price! This to me overall, is not fair and may lead to unfair opinions, much like we have seen with the new “Hockey Puck” that came on the market and the “It’s Bit-perfect” mantra that has many posters saying anything else is a waste of money! I never understood this mentality, and try to avoid it as much as I can, ie it’s your money, make your own decisions. If you hear no difference, it does not mean that someone else might not hear one, perhaps they have better ears, better amps, better cans, better systems overall, and of course, we all have differences in hearing.


What I hear…
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As most know I am a huge supporter of the ZS and have been so since its release and I will always be an advocate. For me, the ZS is the best entry into the “Audiophile” tier of the streaming sector. I came from direct PC/MAC connections, From Napster to Roon, and from USB to 10MHZ “World Clocks” and DDCs so I humbly say I have seen and heard quite a bit, and nothing impressed me in terms of what it brought to the table as the ZS did.

But I must say that the NEO has notched itself slightly higher in the sound quality department, and I believe that this is brought on by growing tech in the isolation and signal path. I believe the inclusion of the Optibox optical isolation included with the NS, and in additional inclusion of the iPower X series as the power base for it, is a big part of where the advantage comes from. There are technologies from iFi included in both the ZS and the NS, but the aforementioned tech is part of the NS package.

Some of the advantages of the NEO over the ZS are audible in the form of perceived soundstage, and this advantage is not always immediately noticeable. If you are listening to “busy” music it is not going to be as apparent at first, but in more meticulously recorded, lighter fair “at times” can be more than obvious. The spacing around instruments, the “room”, and the feel of that well-recorded bass track are all enhanced on the NEO Stream, just a few notches above the ZEN Stream. In essence, it is that next step on the ladder just above the other, I guess it would depend on how long your legs are, and how big that step seems to you.

As an example Track, 2 “Dance of The Knights” on Gautier Capucon's “Sensations” in the first minute of the track the Snare drum musings on the ZS were Left/Center while on the NS they were clearly more to the left, with a fairly substantial better sense of space/Room around it than on the ZS. This is just an example of things that I perceived, but there were numerous instances of this type during my listening, leading me to believe that in terms of music presentation and the feeling of “Being in the Room” would seem to be easier to have with the NEO stream over the Zen Stream.


Final Thoughts…
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For my money, and in all honesty, the 400-dollar Zen Stream will give most just about the best “sounding” streaming that you can get in that price range. Yes, I believe streamers can have a “sound” and I believe I have heard it. In hindsight I never liked the sound my Cambridge CXN V2 gave me, which led me to various Raspberry Pi’s, and many other pieces of equipment until I got the ZS and for me, there was a night and day difference. I believe even as I write this that the NEO Stream brings me closer to what I had in the aesthetics and form factor of the Cambridge, while also elevating the sound I had with the ZS, so for me it’s a winner, and the one I am sticking with. I am also keeping my ZS for other listening areas.

Whether or not the NEO Stream is a superior unit to the Zen Stream the answer for me and my needs/wants is an emphatic yes! Whether it brings the same thing for you can only be decided by you trying it. I was lucky enough to have some other equipment that gave me the ability to more or less compare them directly and at the same time from the same source at the same time, many won’t have that, and I am thankful to have it, and I am also thankful to you for taking the time to read this.


Cheers!!
 
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Nov 21, 2022 at 4:30 AM Post #531 of 1,533
I think the ZS and the Neo are equivalent. You have to compare the two devices for what they have in common, the stream part.
The Optibox or a quality power supply are external elements that can also benefit the ZS. Personally, my server is near the ZS and the ethernet connection is direct without worry. Adding an optical coupler is also intervening on the signal (conversation). On long distances or an ordinary ethernet link, it can bring an improvement or rather a controlled level of quality.
The ZS is simpler and offers less services (display, dac, etc). It all depends on the user's wishes but of course (without wifi) it consumes less power and is easy to power.
There is a small software difference that allows the Neo to handle PCM 768 and DSD 512, which is potentially possible for the ZS provided that it is upgraded from a software point of view (kernel, distribution and libraries) since it is based on the same card (the ZS is limited to PCM384/DSD256).
In short, these 2 devices are excellent. It is just necessary to know what is its real need. With Roon upstream and an independent dac, the ZS is sufficient.
The Neo offers more flexibility for a music lover who is just starting out and wants a streaming solution to which you can add an amplifier and speakers. Some manufacturers have chosen to go even further by integrating a (class D) amplifier into a small device. Once again, it all depends on the need.

At home, it's just On/Off for the ZS, without LED, with a mini power supply (ethernet/USB). A stable operation and transparency between the Roon/HQP server and my Pegasus dac. Everything is done in DSD256. I just have to sit back in my leather chair.
 
Nov 21, 2022 at 9:45 AM Post #532 of 1,533
After spending three really enjoyable days getting wrapped up in the wonders of this little streamer I am wondering whether an upgrade from the iPower X to the iFi Elite would raise the performance even more. So looking for views on this from anybody who has used the Elite with any equipment, but specifically with the Zen Stream or the Neo Stream. Thanks.
 
Nov 21, 2022 at 10:19 AM Post #533 of 1,533
After spending three really enjoyable days getting wrapped up in the wonders of this little streamer I am wondering whether an upgrade from the iPower X to the iFi Elite would raise the performance even more. So looking for views on this from anybody who has used the Elite with any equipment, but specifically with the Zen Stream or the Neo Stream. Thanks.
I recently bought the iPower Elite 12V 4A power supply. I tried it with the Neo Stream and noticed a definite increase in clarity and precision compared to the supplied iPowerX 9V 2.5A. It did not stop my rebooting issue however and I have now returned the Neo and obtained a full refund. So I then tried out the Elite on another device In my Hifi chain, namely a miniDSP room correction box called the SHD Studio. I previously had a standard iPower 12V on this all digital box and just tried out the Elite out of curiosity not really expecting too much. I am happy to report that the improvement was quite staggering with very large improvements in all aspects of the sound. Bass amount and quality boosted but improvement all over midrange and treble as well. The overall depth and width of the soundstage is very noticeably improved with more layering, this is definitely the biggest improvement I have achieved just by changing a power supply. So simply because it is an all digital circuit does not mean that power supply improvements cannot be made. This means that all my downstream DACs are now boosted in performance, I assume the much lower noise floor of the Elite is giving much cleaner AES and SPDIF outputs in both amplitude and timing/jitter terms. Thus I highly recommend the iPower Elite power supply, great device.
 
Nov 21, 2022 at 2:14 PM Post #534 of 1,533
After spending three really enjoyable days getting wrapped up in the wonders of this little streamer I am wondering whether an upgrade from the iPower X to the iFi Elite would raise the performance even more. So looking for views on this from anybody who has used the Elite with any equipment, but specifically with the Zen Stream or the Neo Stream. Thanks.
Best advice (having both) that I can give you is the following...

I have had equipment that has benefitted from both and that opinion has varied (which is better) sometimes depending on the equipment, I found the X slightly better using it with the ZS, and as of yet don't have a clear answer as to preference with the NS.

I would order the Elite in a voltage that can also apply to other equipment you may have, say 12V because you have other gear it could use. You already know what the X is doing for you and you will be able to determine any gains or losses. Be sure to order from someplace with a great return policy so if you aren't getting any perceived benefit, you've lost nothing, but you were able to compare the two.

Bang for the buck is the X, after all Technically you could change a few things over to it for the price of the Elite!

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Nov 21, 2022 at 4:09 PM Post #535 of 1,533
Best advice (having both) that I can give you is the following...

I have had equipment that has benefitted from both and that opinion has varied (which is better) sometimes depending on the equipment, I found the X slightly better using it with the ZS, and as of yet don't have a clear answer as to preference with the NS.

I would order the Elite in a voltage that can also apply to other equipment you may have, say 12V because you have other gear it could use. You already know what the X is doing for you and you will be able to determine any gains or losses. Be sure to order from someplace with a great return policy so if you aren't getting any perceived benefit, you've lost nothing, but you were able to compare the two.

Bang for the buck is the X, after all Technically you could change a few things over to it for the price of the Elite!

Cheers!!
Hi, thanks for reply. I've just ordered the 12v Elite from Amazon - I assume this is what I need for the Neo? Amazon are accepting returns up to 31 January next year so plenty time to evaluate. Unfortunately I cannot use the iPower X with any of my other equipment - my Mytek Brooklyn DAC/preamp and Mytek Brooklyn Amp+ power amp have kettle leads, as does my Cyrus CD player.

Thanks to @JjB067 for his recommendation too.
 
Nov 21, 2022 at 5:33 PM Post #536 of 1,533
Hi, thanks for reply. I've just ordered the 12v Elite from Amazon - I assume this is what I need for the Neo? Amazon are accepting returns up to 31 January next year so plenty time to evaluate. Unfortunately I cannot use the iPower X with any of my other equipment - my Mytek Brooklyn DAC/preamp and Mytek Brooklyn Amp+ power amp have kettle leads, as does my Cyrus CD player.

Thanks to @JjB067 for his recommendation too.
The 12V Elite will work fine with your Neo, it will plug in direct with no adapters required. You could have chosen any of the Elite models from 9 to 15V without any issues as the Neo has a wide voltage range, they all have more current available than the Neo will ever draw. The 12V was a middle of the road choice for me which also gave me upgrade options for other devices I already had. The improvement I got on the Neo was using either the USB Audio or Digital output modes, could also help with the Analog output but I never tried that myself
 
Nov 22, 2022 at 2:57 AM Post #537 of 1,533
I think the ZS and the Neo are equivalent
I tend to agree...
This is what I mentioned in my review in Russian that the difference between ZS and NS (without Optibox) is subtle.
What I did not mention is that I use my ZS with a certain "magic box" (optical isolation switchboard made by one local enthusiast), so the sound quality of ZS + switchboard is comparable to NS + optibox. And the price is comparable too (this switchboard costs around 1000 USD).

The most interesting thing happens when you build the following combination: NS + optibox + switchboard.
This switchboard makes the ethernet signal clean before it goes to the streamer / Optibox. And here is the result > one more step up in sound quality.
So, I don't think there is a limit here for enchantments/improvements you can do with the signal, but the budget will be a limiter :wink:

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Nov 22, 2022 at 5:46 AM Post #538 of 1,533
these arrived today 😍

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Nov 22, 2022 at 8:07 AM Post #540 of 1,533
I tend to agree...
This is what I mentioned in my review in Russian that the difference between ZS and NS (without Optibox) is subtle.
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Except to have changed certain components (ethernet / USB), I think that this subtlety is related to the software evolution.
Besides, not having a Neo, I would be curious to see what gives an SSH connection with a kernel query, distribution, etc.?
On the ZS, I made very limited changes to cpu management, services, etc. for NAA/HQPlayer gateway use and the improvement is, as you said, "subtle".
 

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