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I Think I'm an AKG Kind of Guy

Mar 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM Post #46 of 111
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Originally Posted by dcpoor /img/forum/go_quote.gif
to me, it sounds like you guys experienced a un-amped/under-amped k701. the deep bass is there, but it doesn't really hit you in the face with it.


In the same sense that a pound cake with one drop of lemon juice in it "doesn't really hit you in the face" with lemon flavor, perhaps?

My amp is a home stereo integrated with vastly more power than most dedicated headphone amps, so that is not the issue. The issue is that K701s have very steeply rolled-off bass below about 200 Hz.

My amp produces absolutely lifelike bass from headphones that are capable of it (eg DT150s.)
 
Mar 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM Post #47 of 111
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Originally Posted by intoart /img/forum/go_quote.gif
In the same sense that a pound cake with one drop of lemon juice in it "doesn't really hit you in the face" with lemon flavor, perhaps?

My amp is a home stereo integrated with vastly more power than most dedicated headphone amps, so that is not the issue. The issue is that K701s have very steeply rolled-off bass below about 200 Hz.

My amp produces absolutely lifelike bass from headphones that are capable of it (eg DT150s.)


My integrated amp has tons of power (it's a 70s Sansui), but it is no match for a good dedicated headphone amp. But I think we are talking bass quantity preferences here
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. I had the dt150s and like them a lot, but the bass was boosted. I'd never call the dt150s' bass lifelike. So many ears, so many preferences. And for the better, we wouldn't have Head-Fi otherwise
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Mar 17, 2009 at 7:49 PM Post #48 of 111
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Originally Posted by intoart /img/forum/go_quote.gif
In the same sense that a pound cake with one drop of lemon juice in it "doesn't really hit you in the face" with lemon flavor, perhaps?

My amp is a home stereo integrated with vastly more power than most dedicated headphone amps, so that is not the issue. The issue is that K701s have very steeply rolled-off bass below about 200 Hz.

My amp produces absolutely lifelike bass from headphones that are capable of it (eg DT150s.)


that means nothing.
 
Mar 17, 2009 at 8:18 PM Post #50 of 111
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Originally Posted by Nocturnal310 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
with no intention to ruin the thread...but i have to state ..

if u think K701 isnt lacking in bass...then what do u think lacks in bass?

i think if someone claims K701 has 'perfect bass' then they just dont like bass because K701 have a vastly recessed bass..not much weight in the lows at all.


I am no bass-head, but do appreciate a tight, controlled, and accurate low end. Of the headphones I own, the only ones that seemed somewhat light in the low end were the K500 and 501, until I amped them with the RKV MK II. The bass then appeared...
 
Mar 17, 2009 at 8:43 PM Post #51 of 111
I think I just might be an AKG kind of guy too. I love my Sextetts ever since I've listened to them out of my dad's power amp and I suspect I'll love my K500 as well when I finally have them in my hands.
 
Mar 18, 2009 at 4:25 AM Post #52 of 111
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Originally Posted by AudioDwebe /img/forum/go_quote.gif
How and why did I come up with this conclusion: Simple. I seem to always gravitate toward either the K500, 501 or now, the K1000, over any other headphones I have. It's like I have to "force" myself to listen to the other cans, and their stay connected to a headamp is always short lived.

And it's not that the others are bad sounding or anything like that. Quite the contrary, actually. But there's just something about the three aforementioned headphones' sound quality that just puts a smile on my face, with tremendous amounts of the "aaahhhhhh" factor thrown in.

AKG...hoo-rah.


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Originally Posted by Ishcabible /img/forum/go_quote.gif
So one can only get Stax if they buy a different thing?
OH! I GET IT! Haha nice.

I'll try to get back on topic. How badly are K400/500 beaten sound quality/detail resolution wise compared to say a Lambda or SRX MKIII? I can't find much on that.


The Lambda (whichever version suits you) is definitely a contender against the K400/K500. I'd probably still have mine if not for the requirement of a separate amp and the more delicate construction. The SRX/Mk3 never really grew on me though.



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Originally Posted by scompton /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Fitz preferred the AKGs over Stax. I'm not sure which Stax he had.


SR-Lambda, SR-Sigma, SR-X/Mk3, and also have auditioned the O2 and a few other versions of the Lambda. The Sigma was probably my favourite of the lot, and I still love Stax headphones even though AKG is best.



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Originally Posted by manaox2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I think I can understand why after I heard the total eclipse amplifier he made. The K240 was way underestimated by me before I heard that thing. I love STAX, but that thing was no joke either.


I've also noticed something else lately, besides the amp, that may account for some of the varying opinions on the Sextett (and possibly other AKGs). The sonic difference when worn with the earcups in different positions is not huge and immediately obvious like on some phones, but when listening to one of my favourite tracks lately it sounded off and lacking in magic until I readjusted the headphones on my head (got a new pillow and it wasn't immediately obvious they weren't on how I usually wear them).

I normally listen laying down, with the earcups fairly far forward (with part of my earlobes sandwiched between the back of the pads and the grille), and roughly centered vertically. I haven't done much experimenting to see what effects are to be had at different positions, but I was able to reproduce the same "lack of enjoyment" by sliding them around to a few random other spots.
 
Mar 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM Post #53 of 111
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Originally Posted by dcpoor /img/forum/go_quote.gif
that means nothing.


Yes, it does. It means that the problem with K701 bass is the phones themselves, and not the amp I used with them.
 
Mar 18, 2009 at 12:33 PM Post #54 of 111
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Originally Posted by intoart /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Yes, it does. It means that the problem with K701 bass is the phones themselves, and not the amp I used with them.


May be you listen to mp3...
 
Mar 18, 2009 at 12:36 PM Post #55 of 111
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Originally Posted by intoart /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Yes, it does. It means that the problem with K701 bass is the phones themselves, and not the amp I used with them.


The K701 is a higher impedence, it needs power, but having more then it needs also isn't beneficial to quality. Your source and your amp components that change how the amp is voiced can make a great difference. Take for example, that some capacitors and even resistors may lend more bass and/or treble at the same power then others.
 
Mar 18, 2009 at 12:51 PM Post #56 of 111
I want Sigmas, never will be able to afford them soon unless my cable making buisness booms, so I'll settle for K4/500s and Jecklins.
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Mar 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM Post #57 of 111
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Originally Posted by Acix /img/forum/go_quote.gif
May be you listen to mp3...


I have never listened to mp3. My only source is a CD player (an audiophile home CD player, not a portable.)

As I said, when headphones are capable of bas, my electronics deliver it. The K701s are not capable of bass (a fact which can be seen clearly by looking at their FR graph on Headphone.com.)
 
Mar 18, 2009 at 1:25 PM Post #58 of 111
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Originally Posted by Fitz /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I've also noticed something else lately, besides the amp, that may account for some of the varying opinions on the Sextett (and possibly other AKGs). The sonic difference when worn with the earcups in different positions is not huge and immediately obvious like on some phones, but when listening to one of my favourite tracks lately it sounded off and lacking in magic until I readjusted the headphones on my head (got a new pillow and it wasn't immediately obvious they weren't on how I usually wear them).


I noticed more or less the same thing with my Sextetts when trying them out with the 'alternative' K340/240 pads KT88 (Anatoli) is selling. They're quite different from the stock pads and really force you to position the Sextetts differently. It was only then that I discovered that it's quite important to get a really good seal with the K240 for them to be at their best.

Of course, with those 6 passive drivers, their position in relation to your ear will also be an important factor in the equation.
 
Mar 18, 2009 at 4:34 PM Post #59 of 111
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Originally Posted by intoart /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I have never listened to mp3. My only source is a CD player (an audiophile home CD player, not a portable.)

As I said, when headphones are capable of bas, my electronics deliver it. The K701s are not capable of bass (a fact which can be seen clearly by looking at their FR graph on Headphone.com.)


just because your home amp is powerful doesn't mean it's headphone amp section is any good.

and since you brought up FR graphs...
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oh noes, the hd600's aren't capable of bass either.
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Mar 18, 2009 at 5:55 PM Post #60 of 111
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Originally Posted by dcpoor /img/forum/go_quote.gif
just because your home amp is powerful doesn't mean it's headphone amp section is any good.

and since you brought up FR graphs...
=703&graphID[]=573]heh
oh noes, the hd600's aren't capable of bass either.
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I never said it is good because it is powerful. It simply is very good. (So good, in fact, that I sold my Little Dot I+ in favor of it.)

I have not heard HD600s, but it would not surprise me to learn that they also have very weak bass, like K701s (They are, after all, open.)
 
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