I own Bose, so hate me.

[stinky]

As the saying goes...No highs, No lows,...must be Bose....

But I admit, I do own a pair of QC1 which are wonderful for 12 hr flights every month but are very bulky (I just bought mine before the QC2 came out)

Having heard the Shure 4cs, I'm sold and my Bose are no more

 

[iPodphile]

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Originally Posted by Emon Tell them that Bose is good, but tell them that they're excellent marketing allows for them to price their products much higher than they're worth. Then tell them how they can get something better for the same price or cheaper. But never mention that Bose is bad...always say at least good, just not great. If someone has the "But...Bose is the best!" thing going on, if you knock them down to "good" it's more believable than saying "they're god awful peices of junk".

Nicely put...thanks. I was showing a cutomer an Athena speaker setup today which we both thought sounded great. He asked; "How can something so inexpensive be better than Bose?" 'nuff said.

 

[Snake]

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Originally Posted by JB. If they were using Bose amps, they never would have come close to sounding right (It IS alright to bash Bose amps, of course) and I never heard top performance out of II's with an amp with less than 200 wpc. Also, the 901 II's (1969-1973?) were built much differently than later models. II's had cloth surrounds which matched the sound qualities of the speakers very well.

Sorry about the bit o'confusion, I'm talking about newer 901's - series V and above. I do believe I did hear good things about 1 particular 901 series but did Bose keep it that way? Nah...

 

[seeberg]

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Originally Posted by Snake Sorry about the bit o'confusion, I'm talking about newer 901's - series V and above. uke: I do believe I did hear good things about 1 particular 901 series but did Bose keep it that way? Nah...

Hmmm, I had the chance to hear some 901 VI's in a Bose store once, on the way to PDX, and since I was in my Bose mode back then I thought they sounded pretty good, but not that impressive as all the other Bose stuff sounded the same- this was a few months before I joined HeadFi. I imagine my current $100 towers would trounce them, since they make up for the edges of FR that the 901 misses out on, among all sorts of other things.
Curious, anyone from Japan ever heard the 901 WB version? I wonder if it's any good as opposed to the American version?

,
Abe

 

[Rameish]

Wont hate you but will feel sorry for you. I finally gave away my Bose Lifestyle 12 home theatre system. I feel much better now. Seriously.

 

[seeberg]

You should've sold it- your wallet would've been happy too

,
Abe

 

[Rameish]

The set was not working. I didnt want to spend any more money fixing it. But my friend who got it doesnt mind as he got it free.

The history of my former Lifestyle 12 is this: On the 15 month after purchase the remote stopped working. Had that replaced (my 1st ouch). Then about 3 months later (the volume control did not work). Send it for repair and came back ok - for a month. Problem resurfaced and was adviced by Bose singapore to replace the whole CD console for about US$500. (My second ouch).

Recently (about 3 months ago), the active subwoofer stopped amplifiying. That's when I had enough of fixing the damn thing - it never sounded good anyways - wife's idea to get it in the first place. So the only thing that works properly are the 5 little speakers. Oh and the speaker stand has a small plastic holder in the bottom that breaks quite often. I have a kid.

All in all even the guys at local agent just grinned at me sheepishly when I said that Bose is ****. The bring in Accuphase, Kimber and Lowe as well. I've know them for more than 25 years when they used to be the agents for Linn, Rogers, Dual etc.

Nowadays the money is in things like bose. If you only knew the ****** circuit board and cheap caps they use to build the damn thing in China you'll understand why it breaks down.

BTW when I send my Bose in for repair, they said just place it on top of the 20 odd sets (all for repair) and we'll get back to you.

 

[Vences5]

omg, I just went to headroom.com istead of headphone.com...

 

[bubbagump]

I've heard a well burned-in set of triports, non amped, cdp sources. It was a terrible experience. Nothing sounded clear in them to me, boomy bass. I couldnt wait to get them off and stop defiling my music with them so I could slip on my 15 dollar pair of ksc-75s. Did I mention they were super cumfy?

I've worked a bit with bose customer service in a small task to get granular speaker specs out of them for their ht speakers. Put simply I wanted to know how much juice it takes to fry their acoustimass cubes and woofer. They couldnt tell me how much juice it would take. research? testing? r&d?

although let me warn you- my source wasnt a meridian or rega, and I didnt amp with a blue hawaii. They could be awesome. Anyone tried the stock creative earbuds amped with a proper source? they could be amazing if you guys stopped stuffing them into your zen micros!

booya pierre.

 

[bubbagump]

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Originally Posted by seeberg and drive a sensible Caterham. Ferrari perfomance, Lotus handling, all at a Honda S2000 price(if my memory is correct). Ah, she's my dream car....

not a bad idea- would be a good bit of fun. My idea of extravagance is taking a skyline r34/r33 (maybe a wrx or evolution also, but these are second choices), beef up the bottom end, go to a single large turbo spend some cash working some of the suspension dynamics, boost to mid 500-600hp-ish, enjoy grip for days, 10 second quarter miles and solid handling. sorry for indulging the thread-jack.

 

[Snake]

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Originally Posted by bubbagump not a bad idea- would be a good bit of fun. My idea of extravagance is taking a skyline r34/r33 (maybe a wrx or evolution also, but these are second choices), beef up the bottom end, go to a single large turbo spend some cash working some of the suspension dynamics, boost to mid 500-600hp-ish, enjoy grip for days, 10 second quarter miles and solid handling. sorry for indulging the thread-jack.

Heh, don't worry about it.

But have you ever driven a turbo car for any length of time? I'm on my 4th in 18 continuous years - I only (seem) to drive turbo cars (why do I keep buying them exclusively otherwise??). A big turbo, on the street?

Can we say, "DOG" in nice big letters?

It sounds nice to the bench racers, performs horribly in real life, day to day. Stick with the stock.

 

[bubbagump]

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Originally Posted by Snake Can we say, "DOG" in nice big letters?

I could be wrong, and I havent ran all my math on the turbine and compressor sizes I might use, but I've heard good success in the mid 500ish horsepower on a single turbo. (were talking an inline 6 here also, single manifold).

however we could all just go get suzuki hayabusas, run about 6psi on the factory innards and get cured! well, maybe.

 

[Snake]

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Originally Posted by bubbagump I could be wrong, and I havent ran all my math on the turbine and compressor sizes I might use, but I've heard good success in the mid 500ish horsepower on a single turbo. (were talking an inline 6 here also, single manifold). however we could all just go get suzuki hayabusas, run about 6psi on the factory innards and get cured! well, maybe.

But the larger the compressor or turbine used the higher the rotating inertia, and the higher the turbo lag. Large turbos give large outputs but horrible throttle response, the greatest desired quality for street cars instead of race cars. A goodly number of people with turbos have no idea how to drive them properly - note the fuel mileage most drivers get when driving their turbos, which are essentially low compression 4 cylinder cars with "power boost". They should be getting excellent mileage if they know how to work with the lag / boost instead of working against it - I get 30MPG from my '02 Jetta 1.8T @ an average of 75MPH. This shocks people.

Big horsepower is nice on a turbo but it comes with a price. That price on the street makes it a handful for too many people (see: turbo'ed original Lotus Espirit for instance. People loved the maximum power, hated everything else)

Boy, talk about thread-jack!!

 

[seeberg]

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Originally Posted by Rameish The history of my former Lifestyle 12 is this: On the 15 month after purchase the remote stopped working. Had that replaced (my 1st ouch). Then about 3 months later (the volume control did not work). Send it for repair and came back ok - for a month. Problem resurfaced and was adviced by Bose singapore to replace the whole CD console for about US$500. (My second ouch).

I see your point entirely. Good thing all I still have is their speakers, and even I question their long term durability. Damnit, I need to get them sold! Gotta get my schedule in gear!
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Originally Posted by bubbagump not a bad idea- would be a good bit of fun. My idea of extravagance is taking a skyline r34/r33 (maybe a wrx or evolution also, but these are second choices), beef up the bottom end, go to a single large turbo spend some cash working some of the suspension dynamics, boost to mid 500-600hp-ish, enjoy grip for days, 10 second quarter miles and solid handling.

I get the feeling if you could fit a turbo or a super charger under the hood of a Caterham R500 you'd have a speed demon from hell...

,
Abe

 

[allenf]

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Originally Posted by seeberg I get the feeling if you could fit a turbo or a super charger under the hood of a Caterham R500 you'd have a speed demon from hell... , Abe

Sorta been done already, think "Aerial Atom"...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=105504