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as we all know Zheng Chenggong was in the charge of taiwan from 1662
and after world war II japan surrended and then HeYingQin ,the represent of China, received taiwan. so, undoubtedly taiwan is a part of China.
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So the world only begins in 1662? How about the yuan zhu ming (Native Taiwanese?) who were there before Zheng Chenggong? Perhaps at that time Taiwan did not exist.. Actually, I think Genghis Khan ruled China for a while before 1662- does that make China part of Mongolia? Your arguments are littered with logical loopholes. In effect you're saying:
"What matters is what had happened from 1662 and also after world war 2" "And btw, whether Taiwan accepts that Japan had the legal right to surrender Taiwan to China is not important" "Oh one more thing, if Japan could and did surrender Taiwan to China, there is no way this can change right now, even if Taiwanese people decide that they no longer want to be part of China"
While history matters, it is far from the only determinant of what country a region belongs to. In fact, 'history' is extremely subjective, and is riddled with problems with interpretations of what documents are legal (eg. Japan's surrender of Taiwan), which period matters (do we start counting from 1662 like you do, or some time in 1000bc? Did the Chinese empire only begin in 1662 with the Qing Dynasty, or did it begin even before the Xia Dynasty? If we are only concerned about 1662, then either 1) Before the Qing dynasty there was no China, only different dynasties, and China as we know it only applies after 1662 (just like Taiwan's relevant history is only from 1662) 2) Taiwan is part of the Qing dynasty, not China (since Chinese history stretches before 1662, and China's claim on Taiwan does not begin before that). In addition, how do we know that Zheng Chenggong was legally 'in charge' of Taiwan'? I could literally go on forever, but my point is, this is not a question of merely history. There is healthy debate on what history is relevant, the politics of the matter, the Taiwanese people's choice, etc.
I'm not the only one irritated about your posts, although I'm the only one who has picked up on Taiwan. Others seem to take offense to:
1) your stereotypes/biases on how Chinese people can act. For instance, you think Chinese people aren't promiscuious. My gosh, anyone who has spent anytime in China at all will know that there are prostitutes EVERYWHERE, far more than in Japan. Now, it could very well be that all these prostitutes (and the men visiting them) aren't Chinese. They're Japanese... which brings me to my next point:
2) your stereotypes/biases on Japanese people. Again, I suspect you're pulling this out of your ass because how many Japanese people do you know who live in the US anyway? Even if you did know many of them (I realise this is a slight contradiction from the implications of my first question), how well do you understand them?
Actually I really like your proverb ("when the environment changes people change"). I honestly don't think you're trying to be offensive- instead, I think that (and I find that of a lot of the Chinese people I interact with) you've grown up in a culture that is very inclusive, very inward-looking, with very fixed preconceptions of the world, and this 'environment' has made you who you are. Maybe you can try listening more on this thread and understanding how people outside of China think, and maybe question some of the assumptions you've grown up with at the same time.
A good exercise for anyone, to be sure, not just those from China.
