Mar 16, 2022 at 11:02 AM Post #3,076 of 4,243
Congratulations. If you like it already, wait two-three weeks and you will be blown away:)
How many hours did you find your Spring 3 have a "breakthrough" in sound quality? I'm burning mine for around 60 hours but no significant change yet. It sounded great out of the box.
 
Mar 16, 2022 at 11:46 AM Post #3,077 of 4,243
How many hours did you find your Spring 3 have a "breakthrough" in sound quality? I'm burning mine for around 60 hours but no significant change yet. It sounded great out of the box.
Spring 3 KTE is the most extreme example of long burn in period I have heard. Good is after 300 hours, great after about 500 hours and you could expect small improvements even further up to 700 hours. And it is not only me, who noticed this on Spring 3. You can expect audible improvement almost each week…
 
Mar 17, 2022 at 3:19 AM Post #3,078 of 4,243
What’s everyone’s thoughts on i2s vs USB with the Spring 3 KTE? I’m currently running i2s to my Pi2AES.
 
Mar 17, 2022 at 10:47 AM Post #3,079 of 4,243
I'm considering buying either the Spring 3 or the Holo May DAC. I was leaning towards buying the Holo May since it could do upsampling and NOS. My plan was to purchase a dedicated streamer instead of using my computer. In the past I had a dedicated Mac mini but I do remember I had to do many optimizations with that although that was several years ago. After watching the reviews by GoldenSound on YouTube he comments that the jitter on these two DAC's is so low it's not even measurable by him. Also these DAC's have Optical isolation on the USB input (With the upgraded versions). My question is can I use my regular home Gaming desktop computer to feed (Stream) to these DAC's without any concerns the audio quality will be compromised? This would allow me to purchase the Spring 3 and do my upsampling in software such as HQPlayer.
 
Mar 17, 2022 at 1:33 PM Post #3,080 of 4,243
I'm considering buying either the Spring 3 or the Holo May DAC. I was leaning towards buying the Holo May since it could do upsampling and NOS. My plan was to purchase a dedicated streamer instead of using my computer. In the past I had a dedicated Mac mini but I do remember I had to do many optimizations with that although that was several years ago. After watching the reviews by GoldenSound on YouTube he comments that the jitter on these two DAC's is so low it's not even measurable by him. Also these DAC's have Optical isolation on the USB input (With the upgraded versions). My question is can I use my regular home Gaming desktop computer to feed (Stream) to these DAC's without any concerns the audio quality will be compromised? This would allow me to purchase the Spring 3 and do my upsampling in software such as HQPlayer.
I'm feeding a Spring 3 KTE from an all purpose Intel NUC 9 using Roon/HQPlayer through an Ultrarendu. I have tried dedicated sources and honestly cant tell the difference in sound quality. My PC is not optimized in any way, nor do I use fancy Ethernet purifiers etc. Just regular playback (upsampled) to the Spring and it sounds amazing...
 
Mar 17, 2022 at 5:01 PM Post #3,081 of 4,243
Damn it! Wish I had the scratch but I'm paying off my WA22 right now! Just curious but why are you selling it?
Going in a different direction with dacs.
My favorite dacs seem to be ones with tube outputs as it adds a certain magic to my playback I haven’t heard in others.
Since my new Dac is very different sounding from the spring I might just end up keeping both if I can afford it. I’m also saving up for a Lampizator Dac that I love but is very expensive even in the used market.
 
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Mar 17, 2022 at 7:51 PM Post #3,082 of 4,243
I’m also saving up for a Lampizator Dac that I love but is very expensive even in the used market.
I am selling my Lampizator Amber 3... Just saying ;-)
 
Mar 19, 2022 at 11:42 AM Post #3,085 of 4,243
Hi all. You must wait little bit more for my impressions and Spring 3 KTE / Venus II comparison.
I had some technical issues with Spring 3, which I had to solve first, so actual burn-in period started just yesterday. Here is a short recap of what happened.

After my unit arrived, I noticed two issues.
  • Transformer hum
    There was hum coming from inside of unit, most likely from transformer. Hum was audible from around 1,5m distance from unit when power is ON. I was sure that this was not DC offset related problem. Other devices in my setup have no hum (Simaudio amp, Simaudio DAC, Denafrips DAC, Denafrips DDC are completely silent) and I also have decent DC filter, Isotek Syncro Uni, in chain - before Shunyata Hydra Triton power filter. I have tried several power cables with same result. I also tried another power filter (Isotek Aquarius) and direct to wall power setup with same hum detected.
  • Standby issue
    I have experienced recurring issues with Spring display. At first, I thought the device is unable to turn ON from standby mode, because when I long pressed power button display was still OFF and power led was still red/orange. But after that I noticed that despite red led after long press of power button relay click from inside indicates that unit is ON. And indeed, in such case I really could hear the music, but display was OFF (regardless clicking display button on remote) and power led was still red/orange! This issue occurred quite often, when I wanted to turn unit ON from standby mode via front power button (long press). The only way to bring display and green led normal behavior back was to power unit off completely via rocker switch on the back panel, sometimes several times in a row.
    In first one and half days of having unit, it occurred 7-8 times randomly, as I have experimented with hum removal (swapping power cables and power filters) so I had to turn unit ON/OFF many times. After discovering problem, I tried to power unit ON from standby on purpose and discovered that it was common issue.
I had informed Magna Hifi about this and after short email communication I packed my unit and sent back to Magna. In the meantime, I found out that the problem allegedly occurred on several Spring 3 units (but not all) and Holo audio is aware of it and is working on solution, probably of a software nature. Jos from Magna HiFi is very supportive, acted quickly, so I agreed with him that I would not discuss this issue in the forums for some time and spread unnecessary panic.
Allegedly Holo already solved issue with new Holo Spring 3 firmware, so “radio silence” is broken now.

Magna sent me new Spring 3 unit with new firmware, which arrived yesterday (quick swap, kudos to Magna Hifi!).

Good news first, hum is gone. However, standby issue is not 100% gone. Just the second attempt to switch unit from standby ended with the same error as before. This was right after I left configuration mode (I needed to setup I2S). I was not able to replicate issue again in normal mode, so that is sort of good news too. Maybe this time it occurs only after “configuration mode”, or it is far less frequent, who knows. Will test it further and let you know. Same with Magna Hifi, Jos promised to run some tests too, but for now he was not able to replicate issue on some L2 unit (info from yesterday).

I consider it as minor issue right now, but anyway I will keep eye on that in following few days and let you know. For now, I will focus on initial burn-in and after few days finally some in depth listening!

Radoslav.


PS:
What to say? I understand that ANY unit in any price range could have issues. At the same time, I am quite disappointed because I was completely convinced of the perfection and reliability of Holo Audio products based on excellent references. Holo Audio would probably save itself a lot of trouble if they didn't rush to release Spring 3 and hold it a few extra weeks to properly test and debug the software and finish new USB module as well... However, as once was said in good old movie: “...nobody is perfect”:)
Saw your post whilst reading up on this tonight

i have a may Kte version. About 550 hours use and tonight the hum started (for the first time)

i turned the unit off and back on and hum not there again at this point

did you find any more info re this issue

cheers
 
Mar 19, 2022 at 12:39 PM Post #3,086 of 4,243
Saw your post whilst reading up on this tonight

i have a may Kte version. About 550 hours use and tonight the hum started (for the first time)

i turned the unit off and back on and hum not there again at this point

did you find any more info re this issue

cheers
No new info. My unit is still fine, no audible hum.
 
Mar 21, 2022 at 2:54 AM Post #3,087 of 4,243
To be honest I was a bit disappointed with 3R reclocker. It sounds good, but in my setup Gaia via i2s sounds better. 3R is very smooth sounding, adding sort of calmness to the sound, but maybe the result is too calm, too smooth. Bass is bigger, goes lower with 3R, but lacks control. Gaia has more balanced sound, also smooth, but not too smooth, bass has less volume, but is better controlled. Gaia adds more air, everything is more natural. It is not apples to apples comparison, I know, as 3R is usb reclocker and Gaia DDC with no usb output, so you have to take into account that it is comparison of two different inputs (I2S vs USB) at the same time. And of course, it is quite certain, that this is system dependent. I can imagine that 3R can be excellent in systems that are (for whatever reason) little bit sharp and aggressive.
Many thanks for your sharing about 「3R reclocker vs. GAIA」.
It seems that the 3R reclocker is not an overall upgrade, and there will be a little sacrifice...
(e.g. GAIA has better control than 3R reclocker)

I am also interested in the following comparisons:

USB -> 3R reclocker(USB) -> GAIA(I2S) -> Spring3 KTE
vs.
USB -> GAIA(I2S) -> Spring3 KTE
vs.
USB -> 3R reclocker(USB) -> Spring3 KTE

If 3R reclocker is better solution for Spring3 KTE, then we could consider about 「3R reclocker vs. Innuos Phoenix」.
 
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Mar 22, 2022 at 8:34 AM Post #3,089 of 4,243
Does Spring 3 KTE have unusually high output voltage from XLR out? I heard like 4V. Is it going to be a problem for connecting it with external pre-amp?
Spring 3 DAC voltage output is: 2.9 Vrms via RCA and 5.8 Vrms via XLR
 

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