Holo Audio Bliss

[jordohayes]

What is the go to fuse upgrade for Bliss these days?

 

[a13482214704]

If you already have the KTE, any upgrade that will bring sonic benefits over the stock Holo Red fuse?

 

[shafat777]

Hello,
The picture above is just an example of where the pins are located.
If you look at the IC socket.

Now turn this schematic IC socket 180 degrees to the right/clockwise to the right, then this installation direction corresponds with the Bliss.
In the first picture from the diagram the hotpin is at the bottom, since you have turned it 180 degrees to the right, the hotpin is now at the top.

Now look where the M is on the fuse and install it on the hotpin side, so in this case the M should go on the upper pin.

Hope that helps you?

It is important that you have the correct fuse value in amperes and whether you need T or F.
Another point is to pay attention to the fuse value between EU and US devices.
As the value can be different.

Hey brother, thank you for the detailed response. Unlike the SR fuse, which is easy to distinguish between the hot and cold side(s on top or bottom), the audio magic fuses have the m and the 1 or 2 side by side, the only info I have is that the 1 is considered an arrow/indicator of which way electricity is flowing. So I assume the m2 fuse will have the same direction. With that being said, which way should I place the m2 fuse? Upside down or opposite and since the bliss is flipped, it really confuses me. And thats what my confusion is.

If you can tell me how the fuse should go in either the bliss amp or my spring dac (which I think is not flipped like the bliss), then i.ll do the opposite in the other device. Just need to know how the fuse is supposed to be placed.

Thank you for your help and please let me know

 

[kenz0]

Hey brother, thank you for the detailed response. Unlike the SR fuse, which is easy to distinguish between the hot and cold side(s on top or bottom), the audio magic fuses have the m and the 1 or 2 side by side, the only info I have is that the 1 is considered an arrow/indicator of which way electricity is flowing. So I assume the m2 fuse will have the same direction. With that being said, which way should I place the m2 fuse? Upside down or opposite and since the bliss is flipped, it really confuses me. And thats what my confusion is.

If you can tell me how the fuse should go in either the bliss amp or my spring dac (which I think is not flipped like the bliss), then i.ll do the opposite in the other device. Just need to know how the fuse is supposed to be placed.

Thank you for your help and please let me know

Can't find any statement about m2 direction. Logically to think if you can normally read m2 this is standart direction, if the it's turning into w¿ this is flipped. Most likely for bliss you need flipped. For your spring dac, look into inlet, if it's inverted to Bliss's inlet - use standard fuse direction.
Also, don't be scared to trust your ears and simply pick which kind of fuse placement better to you

 

[jordohayes]

Can't find any statement about m2 direction. Logically to think if you can normally read m2 this is standart direction, if the it's turning into w¿ this is flipped. Most likely for bliss you need flipped. For your spring dac, look into inlet, if it's inverted to Bliss's inlet - use standard fuse direction.
Also, don't be scared to trust your ears and simply pick which kind of fuse placement better to you

That logic sounds good

 

[Deleeh]

Hey brother, thank you for the detailed response. Unlike the SR fuse, which is easy to distinguish between the hot and cold side(s on top or bottom), the audio magic fuses have the m and the 1 or 2 side by side, the only info I have is that the 1 is considered an arrow/indicator of which way electricity is flowing. So I assume the m2 fuse will have the same direction. With that being said, which way should I place the m2 fuse? Upside down or opposite and since the bliss is flipped, it really confuses me. And thats what my confusion is.

If you can tell me how the fuse should go in either the bliss amp or my spring dac (which I think is not flipped like the bliss), then i.ll do the opposite in the other device. Just need to know how the fuse is supposed to be placed.

Thank you for your help and please let me know

Hello,
the hot pin seems to be at the bottom of the Bliss and at the top of the Spring 3 KTE.
Ultimately, however, the operating instructions for the Audio Magic fuse will determine which way it comes in.
I've never used it to be honest.

I would also google what would be best and how the phasing out works.
The quickest and safest way is usually to use a multimeter.
I'm sure you can find information on this, as well as something about the Audio Magic.
If necessary, I would ask the dealer where you bought it.

Tim from Kitsune or Magnahifi might also be able to help you.
I have seen that these fuses are not cheap.
That's why I'd be a bit more cautious about some of the statements in the forum, not just this one.
Because nobody will pay you the money if the fuses are installed incorrectly and blow.

The subject is actually simple, but many people find it difficult to implement.
That's why it's always the information provided by the manufacturer that counts and nothing else.
Especially with fuses, the direction of current flow is important, as in this case, not for everyone.

 

[kenz0]

If you already have the KTE, any upgrade that will bring sonic benefits over the stock Holo Red fuse?

I have SR Pink, its sound much more organic, natural and refined through whole spectrum, really another league of realism. The problem with SR for me personally, it's decreasing bass quantity making Bliss, which I was never considered bass monster, really shy and lean, almost thin.

 

[shafat777]

I have SR Pink, its sound much more organic, natural and refined through whole spectrum, really another league of realism. The problem with SR for me personally, it's decreasing bass quantity making Bliss, which I was never considered bass monster, really shy and lean, almost thin.

I had the SR master fuse in my bliss before I switched over to the m2 fuse and I totally agree with your comment. The sr fuse makes the bliss sound more organic with a mid and top heavy sound, this the bliss sounded a little lean to me. When paired with headphones such as susvara and caldera , the bliss lacked low end. But the audio magic fuses emphasize on the low end and vocals without touching the top end at all. So you get a more fuller, thicker sound imo, if that's what you're looking for.

 

[kenz0]

I had the SR master fuse in my bliss before I switched over to the m2 fuse and I totally agree with your comment. The sr fuse makes the bliss sound more organic with a mid and top heavy sound, this the bliss sounded a little lean to me. When paired with headphones such as susvara and caldera , the bliss lacked low end. But the audio magic fuses emphasize on the low end and vocals without touching the top end at all. So you get a more fuller, thicker sound imo, if that's what you're looking for.

I haven't heard SR master myself, but saw the comments it's even more neutral and bass lacking than pink.
Have you already finished burn in of m2? For SR it was about 100h.
Great to hear m2 bring bass! How does it compare to stock red fuse?

 

[Timbuk2]

This is great to hear more about fuses and how they affect Bliss... I have the standard fuse, will investigate fuses further when I have time. I have noticed a huge change in smoothing out the frequency response of Bliss/May using cabling. I recently tried an 8N single crystal copper cable, coated with 8N single crystal silver from Amazon, and that's made all the difference. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D46FFZ89. I would gladly pay 10X the price for this cable, considering the dramatic sound improvement. Shh, don't tell anyone. I don't notice anything lacking now, bass is prominent, textured and full, vocals are like butter, and treble is smooth and not harsh in the least. It brings out the musicality of the system that I haven't heard until now. I can get completely lost in the music, my goal. And that's driving an HD660S2, not known for it's stunning bass response. Sure you don't hear ultra low sub rumble, but it's not designed for that purpose. It goes boom and slams though, out of nowhere, crazy dynamics and realism. Once again, I didn't know what was missing until I heard it. So if you aren't getting the frequency response you expect, maybe try one of these hybrid OCC cables and ensure that you have cleaned up noise on the AC line. The chain is only as strong as its weakest link, eh? The copper adds a nice warmth to Bliss, filling in its lean and neutral nature, and the silver adds just enough sparkle on the top end, the perfect combo for my ears.

 

[shafat777]

I haven't heard SR master myself, but saw the comments it's even more neutral and bass lacking than pink.
Have you already finished burn in of m2? For SR it was about 100h.
Great to hear m2 bring bass! How does it compare to stock red fuse?

I'm not at 100 hours yet, more like 40 ish. Stock red fuse was only used for 20 min before I switched to the Master and then the m2 fuse. M2 is better, imo then the master in the bliss simply because of the low end factor. I would say that the master beats the m2 is one thing, soundstage. The master fuse expands the bliss even wider and separates the instrument even more. The m2 adds more depth to the sound and makes vocals more livelier. For my setup, which is the spring 3 kte, bliss kte and the susvara, i prefer the m2 over the master fuse. With that being said, low end heavy /dark tuned HP such as lcd4, d8k pro and so on, the master fuse may be of preference.

 

[edwina77]

I'm not at 100 hours yet, more like 40 ish. Stock red fuse was only used for 20 min before I switched to the Master and then the m2 fuse. M2 is better, imo then the master in the bliss simply because of the low end factor. I would say that the master beats the m2 is one thing, soundstage. The master fuse expands the bliss even wider and separates the instrument even more. The m2 adds more depth to the sound and makes vocals more livelier. For my setup, which is the spring 3 kte, bliss kte and the susvara, i prefer the m2 over the master fuse. With that being said, low end heavy /dark tuned HP such as lcd4, d8k pro and so on, the master fuse may be of preference.

Just out of curiousity, was the Bliss already warmed up for those 20 minutes when you used the stock fuse and then switched to the Master fuse?
20 minutes in sounds different from just turned on, and 40 minutes sounds different from 20 minutes in, and then 60 minutes sounds different from 40 but is fairly stable by then when warmed up. The low end factor/bass has the biggest differences as it warms up.
I'm not saying anything about one fuse or the other.
I'm just asking are you hearing differences in the fuses or the Bliss not yet stabilized via still warming up?

 

[galaxysound25]

Hello there, would you have any idea, how SR Purple fuse will change the sound of Bliss KTE, I'm thinking to buy one. Due to budget, didn't plan for SR master or M2 fuse.

 

[shafat777]

Just out of curiousity, was the Bliss already warmed up for those 20 minutes when you used the stock fuse and then switched to the Master fuse?
20 minutes in sounds different from just turned on, and 40 minutes sounds different from 20 minutes in, and then 60 minutes sounds different from 40 but is fairly stable by then when warmed up. The low end factor/bass has the biggest differences as it warms up.
I'm not saying anything about one fuse or the other.
I'm just asking are you hearing differences in the fuses or the Bliss not yet stabilized via still warming up?

I listened to the bliss with red fuse for about 20 min after warming up. I never wanted to use the stock red fuse anyways. I warmed it up just to see if everything works as intended before switching to aftermarket fuse for a serious listening. I still have my stock red fuse as well as a m1 fuse if anyone is interested.

 

[kenz0]

This is great to hear more about fuses and how they affect Bliss... I have the standard fuse, will investigate fuses further when I have time. I have noticed a huge change in smoothing out the frequency response of Bliss/May using cabling. I recently tried an 8N single crystal copper cable, coated with 8N single crystal silver from Amazon, and that's made all the difference. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D46FFZ89. I would gladly pay 10X the price for this cable, considering the dramatic sound improvement. Shh, don't tell anyone. I don't notice anything lacking now, bass is prominent, textured and full, vocals are like butter, and treble is smooth and not harsh in the least. It brings out the musicality of the system that I haven't heard until now. I can get completely lost in the music, my goal. And that's driving an HD660S2, not known for it's stunning bass response. Sure you don't hear ultra low sub rumble, but it's not designed for that purpose. It goes boom and slams though, out of nowhere, crazy dynamics and realism. Once again, I didn't know what was missing until I heard it. So if you aren't getting the frequency response you expect, maybe try one of these hybrid OCC cables and ensure that you have cleaned up noise on the AC line. The chain is only as strong as its weakest link, eh? The copper adds a nice warmth to Bliss, filling in its lean and neutral nature, and the silver adds just enough sparkle on the top end, the perfect combo for my ears.

Clean AC and it's transmission into audio components, is the fundamental thing to start with when you have decent components. The sound we hear from gear is just modulated electricity So, it might be counter intuitive, but having dedicated electricity line for audio, audio grade power distributor and aftermarket powercords, these are the things which let you up your all components on several steps or will be bottleneck even for uber high end upgrades.
Fuse is the tweak, imo, which gives significantly bigger impact when ic or headphones cable. Its doesn't improve sound, as clean ac, in case you already have any kind of decent audio fuse, but gives you ability to push the sound somewhere.
I was the one, who thought fuse is another oil, but to my ears in Bliss changing it made far more difference comparing to cables rolling (aside ac cable's).