[mfgillia]

Same here. I’ll have to stack them due to space constraints. Has anyone got official response from Holo regarding having the PSU unit between May and Bliss?

Tim at Kitsune recommended that or alternatively using minimum of two inch spacers between components.

 

[lucasratmundo]

Tim at Kitsune recommended that or alternatively using minimum of two inch spacers between components.

Just to make sure I understand: Bliss at the bottom, PSU in the middle and May on top is fine?

 

[ARCXENOS]

I placed a KTE preorder from wildism, which I guess is gonna be in the batch after the next...gonna have to listen vicariously through y'all for now.

Anyone used speaker amps + susvara before? Wonder whats the difference is like, now with the bliss

 

[XVampireX]

I placed a KTE preorder from wildism, which I guess is gonna be in the batch after the next...gonna have to listen vicariously through y'all for now.

Anyone used speaker amps + susvara before? Wonder whats the difference is like, now with the bliss

If at all it helps, our friend GoldenSound said that it's better than with AHB2 (Bliss+Susvara is better)

 

[Rhemz]

I’ll have to stack the Bliss and May due to space constraints. Any recommended feet/isolator to add space between the units?

checkers pieces work well. they're cheap and they stack

 

[Rayon]

I’ll have to stack the Bliss and May due to space constraints. Any recommended feet/isolator to add space between the units?

I ordered these: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07QPBNKCL

 

[M700LTR]

If at all it helps, our friend GoldenSound said that it's better than with AHB2 (Bliss+Susvara is better)

Interesting. Seems that Bliss + May is a definitive combo for Susvara.

 

[SlothRock]

Spent the entire weekend comparing and contrasting Ferrum OOR+Hypsos to Bliss. Here are my findings so far:

Ferrum OOR + Hypsos Pros:
-More convenient size for a desktop amp
-Wins in ease-of-use (just turn it on and get going. Barely need to play with any dials)
-Generates less heat if this is a concern for you

Holo Bliss Pros:
-Still very easy to use, but provides more options for a wider degree of flexibility across multiple headphones and setups (Switching on and off the preamp vs. always-on, Hi-Z and Low-Z modes, remote control)
-Volume control on both is great, but I prefer the Bliss volume control for sure. The knob is perfection. The volume control is very smooth, providing many steps and never being too quiet or too loud in my tests so far
-Overall better sound quality than the OOR+Hypsos:

-Even better bass impact, with more layering going on in the sub-bass​

-Soundstage is improved. OOR+Hypsos has more an immediacy of sound due to the more narrow soundstage vs. Bliss having more ethereal qualities here​

-Mids are brought forward slightly in comparison to OOR+Hypsos​

-Hi Z brings a little bit of that "tube flavoring" (elevated bass, increased mids, etc) to ZMF dynamic cans that you just can't get with the OOR+Hypsos​

-Micro details are more apparent with any headphone. Both my VC and Susvara feel like they're bringing little details to songs that I wasn't hearing through the OOR+Hypsos.​

I'm really, really pleased with the Bliss. The OOR + Hypsos is no slouch, either, but I'm having a tough time giving it any points in sound quality over the Bliss. The Bliss seems to take everything the OOR does and just adds it to in a very positive way.

 

[OneEyedHito]

Just to make sure I understand: Bliss at the bottom, PSU in the middle and May on top is fine?

Yes May on bottom, PSU on top of May, and Bliss on top of PSU if you have to stack them but best scenario is in a rack with each item on it's own shelf. That is a direct quote from Tim.

 

[genefruit]

Holo Bliss Pros:
-Still very easy to use, but provides more options for a wider degree of flexibility across multiple headphones and setups (Switching on and off the preamp vs. always-on, Hi-Z and Low-Z modes, remote control)
-Volume control on both is great, but I prefer the Bliss volume control for sure. The knob is perfection. The volume control is very smooth, providing many steps and never being too quiet or too loud in my tests so far
-Overall better sound quality than the OOR+Hypsos:

-Even better bass impact, with more layering going on in the sub-bass​

-Soundstage is improved. OOR+Hypsos has more an immediacy of sound due to the more narrow soundstage vs. Bliss having more ethereal qualities here​

-Mids are brought forward slightly in comparison to OOR+Hypsos​

-Hi Z brings a little bit of that "tube flavoring" (elevated bass, increased mids, etc) to ZMF dynamic cans that you just can't get with the OOR+Hypsos​

-Micro details are more apparent with any headphone. Both my VO (edited to VO for my reference) and Susvara feel like they're bringing little details to songs that I wasn't hearing through the OOR+Hypsos.​

I'm really, really pleased with the Bliss. The OOR + Hypsos is no slouch, either, but I'm having a tough time giving it any points in sound quality over the Bliss. The Bliss seems to take everything the OOR does and just adds it to in a very positive way.

FWIW, my thoughts related to the Bliss are in alignment with post. Especially those I've bolded. Compared with CFA-3

 

[drc73rp]

FWIW, my thoughts related to the Bliss are in alignment with post. Especially those I've bolded. Compared with CFA-3

Interesting comparison to the CFA3. Based on what you didn't highlight, how does the bass and soundstage performance of the Bliss compare to the CFA3?

 

[genefruit]

Interesting comparison to the CFA3. Based on what you didn't highlight, how does the bass and soundstage performance of the Bliss compare to the CFA3?

Bliss is a bit more forward on the mids. I found bass and soundstage to be comparable.

 

[drc73rp]

Bliss is a bit more forward on the mids. I found bass and soundstage to be comparable.

This is very promising for the 1266, hope somebody can share their experience with the TCs already.

 

[ozziegurkan]

Spent the entire weekend comparing and contrasting Ferrum OOR+Hypsos to Bliss. Here are my findings so far:

Ferrum OOR + Hypsos Pros:
-More convenient size for a desktop amp
-Wins in ease-of-use (just turn it on and get going. Barely need to play with any dials)
-Generates less heat if this is a concern for you

Holo Bliss Pros:
-Still very easy to use, but provides more options for a wider degree of flexibility across multiple headphones and setups (Switching on and off the preamp vs. always-on, Hi-Z and Low-Z modes, remote control)
-Volume control on both is great, but I prefer the Bliss volume control for sure. The knob is perfection. The volume control is very smooth, providing many steps and never being too quiet or too loud in my tests so far
-Overall better sound quality than the OOR+Hypsos:

-Even better bass impact, with more layering going on in the sub-bass​

-Soundstage is improved. OOR+Hypsos has more an immediacy of sound due to the more narrow soundstage vs. Bliss having more ethereal qualities here​

-Mids are brought forward slightly in comparison to OOR+Hypsos​

-Hi Z brings a little bit of that "tube flavoring" (elevated bass, increased mids, etc) to ZMF dynamic cans that you just can't get with the OOR+Hypsos​

-Micro details are more apparent with any headphone. Both my VC and Susvara feel like they're bringing little details to songs that I wasn't hearing through the OOR+Hypsos.​

I'm really, really pleased with the Bliss. The OOR + Hypsos is no slouch, either, but I'm having a tough time giving it any points in sound quality over the Bliss. The Bliss seems to take everything the OOR does and just adds it to in a very positive way.

I concur with these comments as well.

One thing that stood out for me is the midrange and sub-bass texture. Ferrum sounded (only in relative comparison) a little softer and retracted in the treble, midrange, and soundstage, which probably makes it better for extended music listening sessions since it doesn't require critical listening.

With the Bliss, I find myself getting pulled into critical listening, but with none of the fatigue. Bliss isn't an amp producing music for the background (with all sources and headphones being equal, in my case Roon/Hqplayer/Spring3KTE/BlissKTE/Susvara); it pulls you into listen and catches the revealing notes.

Plus, it has a remote control! (a biggie for me)!

Power, tons of power folks, you can put away your speaker amps and use them for...speakers, yet again!

Not having to worry about tweaking the voltage levels in the Hypsos is both nice and potentially a "miss," if you can hear the differences (I have tried, but I can't for some reason). It is not a negative for me.

Being able to see the volume level is a plus esp if you are switching between a Utopia and Susvara often...you can miss it with the OOR if you forget to drop the gain switch from +db to -db.

Having a 4.4mm output for IEMs is a plus. Not a big deal, though.

Also, it doesn't hurt that there are more inputs to A/B your DACs and drive all of your amps.

I haven't yet tested the pre-amp outputs, but if it is anything like the Serene, then you are getting an amazing line out to drive your other tube amps and get remote control for free!

Time for some Cons:
- It's big, but then again it's still pretty like the other Holos and stacks nicely.
- It's hot...
- Remote control is the same for both Serene and Bliss, so...don't have it on the same rack like I do!
- It's revealing and super resolving, so no sugarcoating the recording source, not like Ferrum, if the recording sucks, it sucks listening to it through Bliss
- Doesn't remember volume by source (not like Topping Pre90), neither does OOR or any tube amp

 

[SlothRock]

I concur with these comments as well.

One thing that stood out for me is the midrange and sub-bass texture. Ferrum sounded (only in relative comparison) a little softer and retracted in the treble, midrange, and soundstage, which probably makes it better for extended music listening sessions since it doesn't require critical listening.

With the Bliss, I find myself getting pulled into critical listening, but with none of the fatigue. Bliss isn't an amp producing music for the background (with all sources and headphones being equal, in my case Roon/Hqplayer/Spring3KTE/BlissKTE/Susvara); it pulls you into listen and catches the revealing notes.

Plus, it has a remote control! (a biggie for me)!

Not having to worry about tweaking the voltage levels in the Hypsos is both nice and potentially a "miss," if you can hear the differences (I have tried, but I can't for some reason). It is not a negative for me.

Being able to see the volume level is a plus esp if you are switching between a Utopia and Susvara often...you can miss it with the OOR if you forget to drop the gain switch from +db to -db.

Having a 4.4mm output for IEMs is a plus. Not a big deal, though.

Also, it doesn't hurt that there are more inputs to A/B your DACs and drive all of your amps.

I haven't yet tested the pre-amp outputs, but if it is anything like the Serene, then you are getting an amazing line out to drive your other tube amps and get remote control for free!

Time for some Cons:
- It's big, but then again it's still pretty like the other Holos and stacks nicely.
- It's hot...
- Remote control is the same for both Serene and Bliss, so...don't have it on the same rack like I do!
- It's revealing and super resolving, so no sugarcoating the recording source, not like Ferrum, if the recording sucks, it sucks listening to it through Bliss
- Doesn't remember volume by source (not like Topping Pre90), neither does OOR or any tube amp

Oh ya, you nailed it. Really like how you called out that the tone is over-all sharper and more resolving on the Bliss vs. the Ferrum. I'd agree on that note - I do think the Ferrum might be better for long listening sessions if true treble representation is fatiguing for a user or if their headphones already emphasize that region (HD800 style). But, at the same time, the Bliss doesn't represent these things in a fatiguing nature, it's just more true-to-life than the Ferrum in this regard.