[tdx]

Hi all, sorry for the noob question but I just purchased a Matrix Audio Mini-i Pro 3 DAC/AMP. I don't own the Susvaras (have Emypreans vV1) but I'm considering getting them. Would the Matrix amp be sufficient to correctly drive them and have them sound good? Or do I need to also purchase an additional amp? Thanks!

 

[FooFighter]

Hi all, sorry for the noob question but I just purchased a Matrix Audio Mini-i Pro 3 DAC/AMP. I don't own the Susvaras (have Emypreans vV1) but I'm considering getting them. Would the Matrix amp be sufficient to correctly drive them and have them sound good? Or do I need to also purchase an additional amp? Thanks!

Specs for balanced PO 4,4mm
Output Impedance: <22Ω
Output Power: 1900mW@33Ω, 950mW@300Ω, 510mW@600Ω, 1%THD

Without being a Susvara expert: you need an additional Poweramp...

 

[tdx]

Specs for balanced PO 4,4mm
Output Impedance: <22Ω
Output Power: 1900mW@33Ω, 950mW@300Ω, 510mW@600Ω, 1%THD

Without being a Susvara expert: you need an additional Poweramp...

Thanks for the quick and informative reply. If I was to add an amp to this system just for the Susvaras, which one would you recommend that doesn't break the bank? (thinking since I use the Mini as a DAC and only have to worry about amping I can get by with something not too crazy).

 

[FooFighter]

Thanks for the quick and informative reply. If I was to add an amp to this system just for the Susvaras, which one would you recommend that doesn't break the bank? (thinking since I use the Mini as a DAC and only have to worry about amping I can get by with something not too crazy).

Where are you based?
If my comparison test to my incoming loudspeaker amp will go as I expect, I can sell you my Flux FA-10 for around 600 bucks

 

[tdx]

Where are you based?
If my comparison test to my incoming loudspeaker amp will go as I expect, I can sell you my Flux FA-10 for around 600 bucks

Thanks Pm'ing you so i don't derail this thread.

 

[iFi audio]

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You did lovely shots and tastefully processed. Well done! We here Fuji boys say so

 

[number1sixerfan]

This might be a commonly asked question so please forgive my ignorance.

Is there something special about speaker amps with the Susvara, as opposed to a headphone amp of equivalent power, tonality etc.?

I know a few others have already explained, so just adding to say that although I wouldn't go as far as saying the Susvara needs a speaker amp, I was definitely impressed with the sound when exploring a few. So much so that I've landed on a speaker amp for it permanently.

Depending on the amp, the main improvements were bass response, openness/soundstage and fuller sound. All subtle improvements compared to the WA33 or HSA1b that I currently have on hand, but very much welcomed improvements.

Last thing I'd add, is that by reading this thread you'd think you absolutely need a $5k amp for them. You can definitely find a budget ($1-$2k) amp old or new that will perform at or near the same level of a $5-$10k TOTL desktop headphone amp imho. A huge money saver if looking for that.

 

[ken6217]

This is what stopped me pursuing further with looking at purchasing a Viva Egoista 845 after watching this Abyss video ! . Also looks damm ugly !

I see your point. I just watched it.

 

[DJJEZ]

I have spent the last 2 weeks listening to the Susvara alot with over 300 hours burned in using the formula S/powerman which is 6 W 16 ohms which is roughly 1.5W into 60 ohms for the susvara. I knew before buying the susvara i would need alot more power to truly hear the susvara's full potential but a more powerful amp has to wait so using what i have for now.

I love how the soundstage width is smaller and more intimate than the abyss 1266TC but the soundstage verticality/depth seems more than the abyss to me with absolutely massive ariness. They sound absolutely incredible and i love them with less demanding music like acoustic and soft rock, but for demanding music with alot of bass like EDM/RAP/Metal they just sound underpowered and are lacking dynamics, punch and bass. I also have an Arya and Abyss 1266TC and have been rotating all 3 and the formula S/P drives those headphones perfectly in comparison. My next step is to try a bunch of endgame speaker amps and headphone amps with more power when i've saved up the money to see how much more the susvara scale

 

[jlbrach]

the formula s/powerman combo is spectacular with the abyss TC and quite good with the susvara...the bakoon 13r drives the susvara like the formulas combo drives the abyss IMHO

 

[vonBaron]

Yes, for metal music Susvara are too soft sounding but changing pads to Dekoni is nice solution.

 

[Sajid Amit]

I will definitely report back here.
Great thread with information no reseller can provide you

Great. Do!

They sound absolutely incredible and i love them with less demanding music like acoustic and soft rock, but for demanding music with alot of bass like EDM/RAP/Metal they just sound underpowered and are lacking dynamics, punch and bass.

Sounds about right.

 

[Somatic]

Yes, for metal music Susvara are too soft sounding but changing pads to Dekoni is nice solution.

FSS pads?

 

[vonBaron]

Yes and cable upgrade.

 

[Somatic]

How much better is the Bakoon 13r vs the Benchmark AHB2? Also what aspects do they differ? Thanks.
@Sajid Amit