HiFiMan Susvara

[OCC7N]

If the bass boost or extra body to mids are not what you need then the Ferrum is a better option.

It seems to be a bit more technically proficient than the iCAN.

But I don’t miss the technical proficiency because I like the tonal synergy a lot with the iCAN Sig.

I like iFi. But I have to go with most powerful one. The bass on diablo was enough for me.

14W/16 vs 8W/60ohm. Sounds like on paper Orr is more powerful?

 

[OCC7N]

How powerful is the enleum 23r in watt/ohm from the headphone ?

 

[orrman]

How powerful is the enleum 23r in watt/ohm from the headphone ?

25w to 8ohm
4w to 60ohm

 

[Sajid Amit]

I like iFi. But I have to go with most powerful one. The bass on diablo was enough for me.

14W/16 vs 8W/60ohm. Sounds like on paper Orr is more powerful?

If power is what you chase, why stop at Ferrum. Go for a stereo amp.

 

[OCC7N]

25w to 8ohm
4w to 60ohm

So these numbers goes for both speakers and headphone?

The Ferrum must be very powerful then. But then again. Comparing watts can be comparing two different fruits….I know but I still need numbers to understand something

 

[801evan]

To all in this thread that have help me I thank you all. Now I finally know if my Diablo is powerful enough.

Short answer is YES!

My ear tolerance level is Turbo at 1-2 o clock. 12 oclock again is comfortable.

First impressions.
But sound quality the first 10minutes. Not as bright with Arya, a little better lowend. I guess I have the same problem I had with Arya. After buying Forza Audioworks cable it opened the soundstage more.

It feels like these stock cables from HifiMAN sounds centered and warmer. I like bright and wide, so I guess TT2 was a great choise for the Susvara after all.

I switched to Forza Audioworks, it does feel a little seperated/spacious. The Music feels more in the head vs Arya which has much more soundstage.....hmmm its like it has a certain Susvara box(room).

This is interesting. Susvara sounds like it owns the music...or laidback as I hear alot. Relaxed. "Bring the music, its easy"

I hear I see this Susvara room, the box, the soundstage. It puts me in this room. I hear the vintage, I hear the organic sound, there is a certain signature. I think I will be able to tell them in a blindtest.

...But the Susvara catch me by surprise on certain tracks. It is 100% different than Arya. 1000%.

Back to iFi Diablo. Now I understand that the treble "harshness/distortion" or this attempt to sound warm kinda thing(mid-high)...is not Diablo, its the Arya. Diablo only needs to find the sweetspot(volume imbalance) on the volume knob.

Diablo sounds amazing, even on Turbo/SE. Damn what to expect with 4.4 balanced. WOW!...Forza Audioworks(Claire Mk2) ordered for this.

Thank you all! They are very close to what I expected = Goosebumps!

EDIT: This stock cables are an embarrasement. I rather se no included cable. Its a scar to see these "waterhoes" "tubes"

I always touch the diablo to see if it gets warm. It never does with Arya, but with Susvara ooo yeah! So I see the discussion now about power, it needs alot of headroom of power to keep cold as with Arya.

EDIT2:
Switched back to Arya. Yeah I don´t hear that "room", it sounds uncontrolled, has that harsness/distortion to them. Susvara is like I hear the movement of the musicians arm, 'I feel like I am sitting and hear them play in the same room.

Its like the vibe from the Akai MPC60, the vintage sound, the swing. Susvara does something good its still hard to tell from my 1hour of listening(burn-in)

The Arya V2 sounds generic. Susvara sounds like Susvara....I don´t know how to say this, even thoug I still like the Arya v2...oh and the diablo is cold as ice with arya on turbo

The lowend on Arya sound more "powdered sugar" rounded of. The Sus is more creamy/thick

How's the quality on Normal gain vs turbo? You don't need a more powerful amp. You just need a better digital chain. Can you get to using spdif as input?

If you want to stick to usb , try:

Idefender -> longon AOC cable 1m

Lvl2:
Idefender +ifi elite 5v-> long 1m-> uptone uspcb a to B to -> usb ipurifier B to A -> Diablo

This will clean the digital chain and show how much better the Diablo will drive the Susvara..and has nothing to do with amp power. Goal is to get it sounding best at low gain 4.4/SE. No sense to get in the amp game any further.


https://a.aliexpress.com/_mO9YT1A

 

[OCC7N]

How's the quality on Normal gain vs turbo? You don't need a more powerful amp. You just need a better digital chain. Can you get to using spdif as input?

If you want to stick to usb , try:

Idefender -> longon AOC cable 1m

Lvl2:
Idefender +ifi elite 5v-> long 1m-> uptone uspcb a to B to -> usb ipurifier B to A -> Diablo

This will clean the digital chain and show how much better the Diablo will drive the Susvara..and has nothing to do with amp power. Goal is to get it sounding best at low gain 4.4/SE. No sense to get in the amp game any further.


https://a.aliexpress.com/_mO9YT1A

Pc/ipowerx psu - doublshielded usb cable - ipurifier3 - diablo. My chain

 

[801evan]

Pc/ipowerx psu - doublshielded usb cable - ipurifier3 - diablo. My chain

What's the ipower x powering? The AOC USB goes a long way.

 

[OCC7N]

Ifi ipower x psu 5V/3A

Whats AOC?

 

[OCC7N]

Guys sorry for taking up too much space on this thread. Thanks to all that have helped me in the direction thats best for me.

 

[801evan]

Ifi ipower x psu 5V/3A

Whats AOC?

Yea what are they powering?
AOC = active optical cable. Data line is fiber optics

 

[chargedcapacitor]

@chargedcapacitor is right about volume not equaling sound quality

@DJJEZ is right that the Arya V2 does sound like a bigger soundstage (although less accurate to my ears)

In any case - get a capable and fitting amp for your Susvara.

The Arya has a "taller" sound stage on some songs, but not all. The susvara, powered by my NC400's, has just as wide and deep of a stage as my HD800. I went back and forth testing them on multiple songs to confirm. Even when playing FPS, the susvara beats out the HD800 in staging.

Guess we've opened up another can of worms about susvara power requirements! I was a firm sceptic like many of you, since I did test the susvara last year with the A90, IHA-6, and the NC252MP speaker amp, and it wasn't very much of a revelation. I did prefer the NC252 out of the bunch, but it wasn't by much.

But the mono blocks, that was a huge revelation in bass, dynamics, and soundstage. Think on the levels of RME vs Ferum OOR, that's the difference between OOR and the NC400.

 

[orrman]

The Arya has a "taller" sound stage on some songs, but not all. The susvara, powered by my NC400's, has just as wide and deep of a stage as my HD800. I went back and forth testing them on multiple songs to confirm. Even when playing FPS, the susvara beats out the HD800 in staging.

Guess we've opened up another can of worms about susvara power requirements! I was a firm sceptic like many of you, since I did test the susvara last year with the A90, IHA-6, and the NC252MP speaker amp, and it wasn't very much of a revelation. I did prefer the NC252 out of the bunch, but it wasn't by much.

But the mono blocks, that was a huge revelation in bass, dynamics, and soundstage. Think on the levels of RME vs Ferum OOR, that's the difference between OOR and the NC400.

You might be right. Never tried monoblocks or speaker amps to say.
My experience is based on the amps in discussion here.

 

[nwavesailor]

After a few years on the Sus thread, I'm taking a break.

Too many amp posts that I don't care to read again and again.

 

[EMINENT]

The Arya has a "taller" sound stage on some songs, but not all. The susvara, powered by my NC400's, has just as wide and deep of a stage as my HD800. I went back and forth testing them on multiple songs to confirm. Even when playing FPS, the susvara beats out the HD800 in staging.

Guess we've opened up another can of worms about susvara power requirements! I was a firm sceptic like many of you, since I did test the susvara last year with the A90, IHA-6, and the NC252MP speaker amp, and it wasn't very much of a revelation. I did prefer the NC252 out of the bunch, but it wasn't by much.

But the mono blocks, that was a huge revelation in bass, dynamics, and soundstage. Think on the levels of RME vs Ferum OOR, that's the difference between OOR and the NC400.

There's also some body/bass missing without Hypsos I found.