Law87
Headphoneus Supremus
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one doesnt need a 6K amp to enjoy the susvara.....the fact that some will add that amp doesnt make it a necessity
truth...THX 789 or 887 suffice...in balanced configuration.
one doesnt need a 6K amp to enjoy the susvara.....the fact that some will add that amp doesnt make it a necessity
I have the v2 but I'm just not ready to stop listening to them and get the SE being I really enjoy them.HEKse in the house (well, office actually).
Listening via Hiby R6 Pro. Can't wait to get home and listen via Gumby/DSHA-3F.
HEKv2 on the sales block
Here's what I wrote in response to a PM enquiry:I have the v2 but I'm just not ready to stop listening to them and get the SE being I really enjoy them.
Being you have both, I'm assuming you listened to them side by side sufficiently to have the v2 F/S?
Nice, the differences are subtle but audible. Like you, one of my favorite things I like about the HEKse's is that they are easy to drive. You can get top flight sound in a efficient package.Here's what I wrote in response to a PM enquiry:
Note that's based on 1 'serious' comparison session. Both driven by silver cables out of the same rig.Interesting -- folks have said 'better in every way'. I think it should be 'slightly better in every way':
- slightly fuller as HEKv2 can sound a bit thin or delicate
- a little better mids (possibly just repeating the above point)
- a little more bass extension
- a little more expansive stage
- a little more precise stage/imaging
Probably the only negative about the SE vs v2 would be that SE might be a little less forgiving of poor recordings.
All of these are significant enough to know it's not just 'expectation bias', but not a lot more. Actually, the biggest difference is efficiency. Using my Gumby ==> preamp ==> DSHA-3F rig, I have to attenuate the SE by 5 dB on the preamp to volume match.
Honestly, if I had both in hand and you told me I'd have to pay $700 - 800 to upgrade, I don't know if I would. Don't know if I wouldn't either
As far as the 'value' statement above, since I already own both, the question becomes whether to sell the HEKv2 or the SE. Assuming a (say) $700 difference, which will I sell? You can visit the 'Headphones for Sale' forum for the answer
I had the Abyss Phoi’s and preferred the Susvara’s by quite a bit. At the time, I had the Pro iCan, which drove both very, very well. When I added xbass to the Susvara’s the bass not only matched the Phi’s but was more detailed and nuanced. Then there was comfort, which was no contes. The Susvara’s won that battle hands down. What really got me to choose the Susvara’s over the Phi’s was the midrange. The Susvara’s Midrange made the Phi’s midrange sound recessed and the headphone as a whole sound V-Shaped. So I sold the Phi’s.
The TC’s fixed everything I disliked about the sound of Phi’s. The fit issue still remains, but is a slight compromise because they sound so darn good. The HEKse’s fall in the group of headphones right under these two. In a way, they are their own headphone with their own sound. Taken in that context, the HEKse is a really and I mean really, great headphone. With a cable upgrade and some system matching, you can really transform these headphones. The fact that they are easy to drive in a bonus.
I’ve gotten about 10 hours of head time with now. Here’s my bottom line on SE vs v2:Nice, the differences are subtle but audible. Like you, one of my favorite things I like about the HEKse's is that they are easy to drive. You can get top flight sound in a efficient package.
Gentlemen,
your opinions about HE 1000 SE attached to the Astell Kern SP 2000. Better use an external Amp?
Do you think it would sound good? I own the Utopia currently and need a pair of headphones that sound little different.not needed...it has almost same output power as Chord hugo 2
Do you think it would sound good? I own the Utopia currently and need a pair of headphones that sound little different.
I’m listening to HEKse via Hiby R6 Pro & Cowon Plenue II Mk2. Plenty power enough from either of those DAPs, so certainly enough from SP2k — no need for external amp. I would say that HEKse & Utopia do sound ‘a little different’. Tonality isn’t hugely different — Utopia is a bit more elevated in upper mids/treble, while HEKse is more extended and impactful in the bass. Again, not hugely different, both are pretty close to neutral to my ears. But the biggest difference is the stage. Truly night-and-day.Do you think it would sound good? I own the Utopia currently and need a pair of headphones that sound little different.
I’m going to amend this statement to:...
- If you don’t like v2, SE isn’t gonna change your mind as they’re not that different