Jan 15, 2016 at 3:41 PM Post #1,216 of 4,032
The HEX is indeed more efficient than most other cans but it still to my ears shines with a proper amp like a mojo or hugo etc...I did try it directly out of my AK120 and while it did ok it is head and shoulders better out of the Mojo or even the mojo with a Vorzuge pure II+....this is not a portable can to be worn around...it is however a great can to take along with you to a hotel or to visit parents etc along with your portable rig.....in my case the hugo or mojo
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 4:21 PM Post #1,217 of 4,032
@jlbrach most all headphones, even true portable headphones would yield those results. 
 
Quote:
Even my HE-5LE's came with balanced and SE cables

because the he5le and he6's etc needed the balanced end of most amps to sound their best. None of the mentioned shipped with a cable meant for portable use like the HEX. I find most of these postings a bit irrational. 
 
HiFiman wanted people to exploit all of their R&D of efficiency by offering a 1/8 plug instead. Makes total sense even though the extra cable is overpriced.
  Well I am little diff here. I fold up the HEX flat and put in my laptop bag for travel. I listen around the house doing things as if I am listening to a speaker since I can hear everything outside. When I travel over seas (months at a time), I have it with me from hotel to hotel with no need to carry a desktop amp. I also bring to my office everyday and have it on and could hear the phone ringing ect.. my collegues also have their headphone (bad influence from me) and turn the office into headfi office.

this is exactly what kind of portable headphone they are. More like a travel accessory. Not truly portable but easy to use abroad
 
  They are way too big to take around IMHO.  They are staying home.

No need to take them around but at least you can walk around your home with them while folding clothes, ironing in the morning, eating your morning breakfast. 
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 4:27 PM Post #1,219 of 4,032
For those of you interested, check out my honest impressions regarding the HE-X.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/products/hifiman-edition-x-over-ear-planar-magnetic-headphones/reviews/15012
 
Sorry to say, these just didn't do it for me.
 
I'll happily go back to my HE-1000 and Ether 
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Jan 15, 2016 at 4:28 PM Post #1,220 of 4,032
  because the he5le and he6's etc needed the balanced end of most amps to sound their best. None of the mentioned shipped with a cable meant for portable use like the HEX. I find most of these postings a bit irrational. 
 
HiFiman wanted people to exploit all of their R&D of efficiency by offering a 1/8 plug instead. Makes total sense even though the extra cable is overpriced.
this is exactly what kind of portable headphone they are. More like a travel accessory. Not truly portable but easy to use abroad
 
No need to take them around but at least you can walk around your home with them while folding clothes, ironing in the morning, eating your morning breakfast. 

While I can understand that Hifiman wanted their customers to make use of the R&D to pair it with low powered devices, I still feel like a 3.5mm an 4pin XLR option would have been better [throw in a 3.5 to 6.5mm adatper an BAM problem solved] 
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 5:03 PM Post #1,221 of 4,032
For those of you interested, check out my honest impressions regarding the HE-X.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/products/hifiman-edition-x-over-ear-planar-magnetic-headphones/reviews/15012
 
Sorry to say, these just didn't do it for me.
 
I'll happily go back to my HE-1000 and Ether 
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I own the HEK and think it is the best HP currently available......I am surprised to read this gentlemans review because i think the HEX is outstanding and to my ears better than the LCD-3F and the Ether which i think are both outstanding and I sold my HD800 but enjoy the HEX much more than I did my HD800.....it goes to show you how different people hear things differently....most comments i have read about the HEX have been quite positive thus far....I do agree all of these cans are overpriced but that is for another discussion
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 5:16 PM Post #1,222 of 4,032
  For those of you interested, check out my honest impressions regarding the HE-X.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/products/hifiman-edition-x-over-ear-planar-magnetic-headphones/reviews/15012
 
Sorry to say, these just didn't do it for me.
 
I'll happily go back to my HE-1000 and Ether 
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I own the HEK and think it is the best HP currently available......I am surprised to read this gentlemans review because i think the HEX is outstanding and to my ears better than the LCD-3F and the Ether which i think are both outstanding and I sold my HD800 but enjoy the HEX much more than I did my HD800.....it goes to show you how different people hear things differently....most comments i have read about the HEX have been quite positive thus far....I do agree all of these cans are overpriced but that is for another discussion

Def not 100% in agreement with @Sil3nce but he is pretty close to my setiments on a few things. Read my review too and see what I think of it. It's not all peaches either.
 
VS LCD3F
LCD3F:  has  greater inner detail by a lot!!!!, better depth in soundstage, better imaging, blacker background, less distortion, less wet sounding, better build and accessories, better micro and macro dynamics. 
 
HEX: bigger soundstage, more linearity, better bass foundation, better comfort, more efficient.
 
The LCD3F is the real deal even if its not my favorite. 
 
HEX
Pros:
Great balance
big soundstage
linear balance
efficiency
solid foundation
 
Cons:
gray background
lack of micro dynamics
soft attack
slightly too much decay after the notes(too wet)
vocals lack dimension 
cheap plastic gimbals
less than precise imaging
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 5:24 PM Post #1,223 of 4,032
  While I can understand that Hifiman wanted their customers to make use of the R&D to pair it with low powered devices, I still feel like a 3.5mm an 4pin XLR option would have been better [throw in a 3.5 to 6.5mm adatper an BAM problem solved] 

yeah this makes sense. It's just harder to market that way. 
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 6:15 PM Post #1,224 of 4,032
Even my HE-5LE's came with balanced and SE cables

because the he5le and he6's etc needed the balanced end of most amps to sound their best. None of the mentioned shipped with a cable meant for portable use like the HEX. I find most of these postings a bit irrational. 


I'm pretty puzzled by this post, as you also make what is for me a fairly irrational statement regarding a portable plug. It could simply be a case of different users having different needs or wants. There's nothing inherently irrational about having a balanced rig, and I think it is totally reasonable for HFM to offer decent choices or alternatives.

My apologies in advance if I misread your response!
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 6:35 PM Post #1,225 of 4,032
Def not 100% in agreement with @Sil3nce
 but he is pretty close to my setiments on a few things. Read my review too and see what I think of it. It's not all peaches either.

VS LCD3F
LCD3F:  has  greater inner detail by a lot!!!!, better depth in soundstage, better imaging, blacker background, less distortion, less wet sounding, better build and accessories, better micro and macro dynamics. 

HEX: bigger soundstage, more linearity, better bass foundation, better comfort, more efficient.

The LCD3F is the real deal even if its not my favorite. 

HEX
Pros:
Great balance
big soundstage
linear balance
efficiency
solid foundation

Cons:
gray background
lack of micro dynamics
soft attack
slightly too much decay after the notes(too wet)
vocals lack dimension 
cheap plastic gimbals
less than precise imaging



I'm sorry, but you probably mentioned somewhere what source you were using when testing the lcd3f vs hex. And assume you had both headphones in hand and were using the same source and also testing back to back. Not just from memory of course. You mention the hex as having a grey background? Do you mean a higher noise floor? It's a very low impedance headphone and paired with the wrong source... Well... Yea, issues can arise. High powered amps with like implementation would cause this issue with the hex. I would like to try the lcd3f with my hex and hd800 and he1000 all on my master11 to get a good impression. A local guy just picked up a pair of hd800s and the lcd4's. So those will be tested as well :) that's the plan.

But the plan is to give every headphone the ideal testing platform. I know when I had my he560's that about 80% of the amps I used it with did no justice for them. Absolute crap imho... Yet they sound sublime on my m11 and a handful of other amps. I'm super picky too. What sounds excellent to one person may sound "acceptable" or "good" to me. Source is key. And sadly many Dac and amps sounds "meh"
I find the hex is somewhat picky in a different way. It does not pair well or synergize with powerful amps that are not designed for ultra sensitive headphones. It's like many iems sound like crap on most amps with higher output impedance. The noise floor is higher and as you might say ... Has "a grey background"
Personally I say the Hex has an incredibly black blackity black background.
I have a lot of high end headphones and it doesn't fall into a few of the categories you mention... At least with my gear.
I will test all these headphones on my wife's rig, an audio-gd nfb28, which, to be honest I don't think will sound bad with any of the headphones I am testing against the hex. The nfb28 is also implemented very well to scale with any headphone and plenty of headroom.

I'm totally interested to get a pair of lcd3f's and compare them now. When I read your review I see and think to myself... There must be a significant difference between the two in noise floor. I thought the hex was incredibly dark black sounding noise floor. Sounds come from no where. Even at high volumes. If it's possible to have a pair of headphones they outclass the hex as much as you experienced than the lcd3f's must put the he1000 and hd800's to shame!
The hd800's, I just got my pair yesterday...well, not impressed yet. I will do all the mods everyone claims to make them the ultimate headphones. But I only have them for reference. Hd800 sounds better on my system than other systems I've heard it on... Talk about a picky headphone! I have noticed it's rare to find an amp/Dac that scales well to any headphone/iem/speaker. A good amp will simply make everything sound it's best. I would bet less than 5% of amps can achieve this. I don't want to start naming off brands and models as I don't want to start an argument... But ask yourself if your amp can be ideal for sensitive iems, high sensitivity cans like hex, pm3 or thx00, medium sensitive cans like Audeze or ethers, or high impedance cans like hd800, and to top it all off, can your amp drive efficient speakers too?
The ragnarok can't even do all these things, but most of them. The m11 can. I don't really know of another amp that does. I would love to find one, it would be in my list of future gear.
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 6:44 PM Post #1,226 of 4,032
I'm pretty puzzled by this post, as you also make what is for me a fairly irrational statement regarding a portable plug. It could simply be a case of different users having different needs or wants. There's nothing inherently irrational about having a balanced rig, and I think it is totally reasonable for HFM to offer decent choices or alternatives.

My apologies in advance if I misread your response!

I just think its irrational for people to expect hfmn to ship the hex with a balanced cable when they offer two cables. yes the older models shipped with an xlr but that is because a lot of those headphones were speaker tapped or used the more powerful balanced end of amps. 
I'm sorry, but you probably mentioned somewhere what source you were using when testing the lcd3f vs hex. And assume you had both headphones in hand and were using the same source and also testing back to back. Not just from memory of course. You mention the hex as having a grey background? Do you mean a higher noise floor? It's a very low impedance headphone and paired with the wrong source... Well... Yea, issues can arise. High powered amps with like implementation would cause this issue with the hex. I would like to try the lcd3f with my hex and hd800 and he1000 all on my master11 to get a good impression. A local guy just picked up a pair of hd800s and the lcd4's. So those will be tested as well
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that's the plan.

But the plan is to give every headphone the ideal testing platform. I know when I had my he560's that about 80% of the amps I used it with did no justice for them. Absolute crap imho... Yet they sound sublime on my m11 and a handful of other amps. I'm super picky too. What sounds excellent to one person may sound "acceptable" or "good" to me. Source is key. And sadly many Dac and amps sounds "meh"
I find the hex is somewhat picky in a different way. It does not pair well or synergize with powerful amps that are not designed for ultra sensitive headphones. It's like many iems sound like crap on most amps with higher output impedance. The noise floor is higher and as you might say ... Has "a grey background"
Personally I say the Hex has an incredibly black blackity black background.
I have a lot of high end headphones and it doesn't fall into a few of the categories you mention... At least with my gear.
I will test all these headphones on my wife's rig, an audio-gd nfb28, which, to be honest I don't think will sound bad with any of the headphones I am testing against the hex. The nfb28 is also implemented very well to scale with any headphone and plenty of headroom.

I'm totally interested to get a pair of lcd3f's and compare them now. When I read your review I see and think to myself... There must be a significant difference between the two in noise floor. I thought the hex was incredibly dark black sounding noise floor. Sounds come from no where. Even at high volumes. If it's possible to have a pair of headphones they outclass the hex as much as you experienced than the lcd3f's must put the he1000 and hd800's to shame!
The hd800's, I just got my pair yesterday...well, not impressed yet. I will do all the mods everyone claims to make them the ultimate headphones. But I only have them for reference. Hd800 sounds better on my system than other systems I've heard it on... Talk about a picky headphone! I have noticed it's rare to find an amp/Dac that scales well to any headphone/iem/speaker. A good amp will simply make everything sound it's best. I would bet less than 5% of amps can achieve this. I don't want to start naming off brands and models as I don't want to start an argument... But ask yourself if your amp can be ideal for sensitive iems, high sensitivity cans like hex, pm3 or thx00, medium sensitive cans like Audeze or ethers, or high impedance cans like hd800, and to top it all off, can your amp drive efficient speakers too?
The ragnarok can't even do all these things, but most of them. The m11 can. I don't really know of another amp that does. I would love to find one, it would be in my list of future gear.

Dude my memory is totally accurate about the LCD3F having a blacker background, and better details. The HEX is no detail king. Not in the least. It also has a gray background for sure. My LCD2.1 has a blacker background than the HEX (which was compared directly) and so does the LCD3F
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 7:21 PM Post #1,227 of 4,032
I just think its irrational for people to expect hfmn to ship the hex with a balanced cable when they offer two cables. yes the older models shipped with an xlr but that is because a lot of those headphones were speaker tapped or used the more powerful balanced end of amps. 
Dude my memory is totally accurate about the LCD3F having a blacker background, and better details. The HEX is no detail king. Not in the least. It also has a gray background for sure. My LCD2.1 has a blacker background than the HEX (which was compared directly) and so does the LCD3F


Ok dude. That's fine. I was trying to see what amp you were using and if all three headphones were testing on the exact same setup. Anything is possible. I can make any headphone test poorly on the right, or wrong setup.
I don't want to argue. Just find out out you used as I would like to test them on the same setup or test the lcd3f's. My experience hasn't been the same
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM Post #1,228 of 4,032
  I just think its irrational for people to expect hfmn to ship the hex with a balanced cable when they offer two cables. yes the older models shipped with an xlr but that is because a lot of those headphones were speaker tapped or used the more powerful balanced end of amps. 
Dude my memory is totally accurate about the LCD3F having a blacker background, and better details. The HEX is no detail king. Not in the least. It also has a gray background for sure. My LCD2.1 has a blacker background than the HEX (which was compared directly) and so does the LCD3F

Yea my HE 4 has a blacker Background :/ there's a touch of Mid Distortion in the HE X, check out Purrins Measurements if you have doubts, how ever the really large an spacious sound stage of the HE X does a decent job some what masking the grey back ground 
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 8:21 PM Post #1,229 of 4,032
 
I agree that HiFiMan may be shooting themselves in the foot by emphasizing the portable aspect of this phone.  First, I couldn't imaging using these out in public: too big, no isolation in or out, to expensive to risk damage, etc.  Second it could give the impression that they are not serious, high end home headphones which they definitely are.

Hey, I thing what HIHIMAN wanted to do is to offer a headphone that will mate well with portable music players this is my understanding ,It is NOT for outdoor use at all, even at work in the lunch room outside sound gets to my ears ,so again it is full size headphone that was designed to work best with portable players/recorders.
 
Jan 15, 2016 at 11:40 PM Post #1,230 of 4,032
  Yea my HE 4 has a blacker Background :/ there's a touch of Mid Distortion in the HE X, check out Purrins Measurements if you have doubts, how ever the really large an spacious sound stage of the HE X does a decent job some what masking the grey back ground 


the he4 is a beast
 
best price to performance headphone. 
 

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