It's out of production no? I think at the moment I'd probably not go hunting for an out of production product, but thank you for the suggestion. I also thought of the 6se as well but I don't want to upgrade my sources (at the moment)I would look for a pair of HE-500’s that can be found but getting harder to find for under $500. The HE-6se V2 is just a bit over budget and also a very good headphone but comes with a caveat of being pretty hard to drive so much more so than the HE-500.
Try what I wrote down up there see if that helps.
Well wherever people got it I refuse to use the same description because they actually just add to the confusion.
The blanket term "V-shape" doesn't tell you if it's just the upper bass that is elevated and how it rises up (HD650 plateau then a valley, RS1 mountain peak then cliff, etc) and at what point does it nose dive or whether it's still very strong at 20hz (ex Superlux HD660).
I spent on the HD600 and Cantate.2 a decade or so ago and all I spent since were IEMs and because they broke.
Similarly I bought a DAP recently but that was also because of a similar problem as IEM reliability: Android updates messed up USB audio again, I have OLED burn and might get a new phone but new phones don't even have a headphone jack so here I am with a DAP with a microSD card filled with FLAC and BT for Spotify from the phone, then set ot line out mode when I'm at home (with HiBy Remote app or still BT so it doesn't have to be like a Fiio X5 on a DK1 dock to be easy to control; easier, actually, since I can just open HiBy app on my phone if I want to go to a different album).
It's all a matter of 1) having reasonable expectations (I don't expect my headphone system to sound like my old Pacific Pi10+NAD304 or Focal Polyglass+Vifa TC25+JLAudio 10in in my car running off two Digital Designs amps and a Pioneer Premiere processor-HU) and 2) getting to one you can live with depending on how well you research before buying or how many other gear you can try out in stores in your city (or other audiophiles with gear you can borrow). Even before headphones at least the home speakers were easy to find in stores, and the car audio gear you just waltz into a custom audio shop and they'll let you try out whatever they're almost done working on or the other customers might let you sit in their cars.
I've followed your advice and the comfort seems to have helped. For the past couple of days or so I haven't felt any sort of discomfort and while I still feel like I am more cognisant of the feel of the pads compared to Sundaras, the comfort has basically just matched the Sundaras rather than beat them or anything.
I'm still an audio baby like I was saying before, so sadly I am only capable of going off of people's words when they describe a signature (?) as being neutral/bright/v-shaped etc
In my case, honestly I just want music to sound fun, that's my expectation. Recently my curiosity got the best of me and since I heard Anandas had a (much) better soundstage than the Sundaras while basically being at least the same if not (a bit) better at what the Sundaras do, I also recently ordered that from Amazon (open box) in addition to Sundaras as a trial period. Thankfully the Sundaras have a year-long warranty so I can take my time trying out several other stuff while keeping them under warranty. Plan is also to return the Anandas after about a month of testing to see how much I like it over Sundaras. Next...either go back to the Sundaras if I feel like it or try something else, like HD560/K702/K712. Who knows. My patience is so fickle lol.
Just based on my research, I have an inkling I am getting very close to what I want. Sundaras already sound very fun, and if the wider soundstage is something I like and I find it worth the price hike then I may just stretch the budget for Anandas. Really, the only caveat I have is I want it to pair well with my sources that I have now, as I don't really want to do source overhauls.
This. Cans already liked should stay and from here taking a closer look at other components in a setup sounds like a plan. A DAC alone can significantly improve sound without changing its core profile too much.
We agree in 100%.
I have been considering a modi 3 as a dac as an upgrade to my meizu dongle, although I was totally satisfied with my sources when I tried out the Sundaras. But I'm really unsure if it's worth the circa $100 expense; from what I've heard, while there is a difference, it's not really worth the price hike, but I am still probably going to try out of curiosity. Do you have any thoughts?
Clamp gets better. Mine on HD600 was uncomfortable at first and now it's much better. Still gets rough but I mean, we're not really supposed to be using headphones for more than an hour or two.
ALSO! You might be putting them on wrong. I notice clamp gets better for me when I adjust the headband properly and put them on correctly. Each head is different
Veil isn't what Sennheiser sound is.
Try HD 600, I don't find it veiled. If you want more brightness, then beyerdynamic.
It feels better after I took Protege's advice, although the comfort-ability still just seems to be matched to the Sundaras rather than being better. I've also adjusted the headband as well.
I've thought about HD600, and don't get me wrong I am curious, but in all honesty if I don't like the HD650, I really really doubt I'm going to like the HD600, especially since there's no improvement in soundstage. If I had to describe why I don't like the HD650...in a simple metaphor, when I'm listening to music, it sounds like the comparison to me eating (savoury) food without salt.
I'm more curious to try out the HD560s if anything, as well as K702/K712 and Anandas.
This could just be me also and I haven't done an in-depth comparison between the two, but in terms of enjoyment the HD650 to me (even with EQ) doesn't really sound much better if at all compared to the PC37x which I also own.
The best thing about HD 600 is how well they scale with headphone amps. These cans can sound dark and not particularly clear if poorly matched, but with something nice they don't shy away from comparisons with much more expensive headphones. Being a legend and all that...![]()
I understand you lot are talking about HD600's, but since HD650's are also similar, how do you find out what amps are appropriate to pair with HD6x0? The issue I have with HD650 could be because of poor source pairings. I just picked up what I have now on recommendations.