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So my 2c which should not be valued any more or less than anyone else's 2c around here. Not to undermine or distract of others' posts here.
TomB wondered aloud here why so few members (e.g. w/high DIY post counts / 5-yr+ old join dates) have responded to the "Objective push" going on around here.
Everyone chooses the voices they listen to. E.g. when a new, loud group enters an ongoing/established group meeting they are usually listened to and then shared discussion ensues.
Assuming some sort of common respect is shown and no one group tries to ignore others' contributions or railroad the discussion.
IMO the core issue missed in this Objective/Subjective discussion concerns the claims made. As long as the supporters of a design do not make false claims about it's quantifiable/measurable aspects I don't see the problem. And I don't see supports of most popular DIY designs here making specific measurable claims here that could be debated.
We don't see supporters of, say most any amp with a tube in it, saying its FR & THD is such-n-such. Only claims in the vein that many like what they hear coming from it.
One can prefer any sort of sound signature or lack thereof. With some recordings I prefer the voicing/slight mellowing aspects an amp with a tube in it brings. For other, better source masters, I often prefer all solid-state.
E.g. if the value/beauty of a painting was only measured by its accuracy, Impressionism may have never have come about. All valued paintings would be of the Realism variety.
I bet I'll wish I continued to avoid posting. Few posts in this thread actually address the OP. Much of this belongs in yet another "If it doesn't measure better it cannot be better" thread.
TomB wondered aloud here why so few members (e.g. w/high DIY post counts / 5-yr+ old join dates) have responded to the "Objective push" going on around here.
Everyone chooses the voices they listen to. E.g. when a new, loud group enters an ongoing/established group meeting they are usually listened to and then shared discussion ensues.
Assuming some sort of common respect is shown and no one group tries to ignore others' contributions or railroad the discussion.
IMO the core issue missed in this Objective/Subjective discussion concerns the claims made. As long as the supporters of a design do not make false claims about it's quantifiable/measurable aspects I don't see the problem. And I don't see supports of most popular DIY designs here making specific measurable claims here that could be debated.
We don't see supporters of, say most any amp with a tube in it, saying its FR & THD is such-n-such. Only claims in the vein that many like what they hear coming from it.
One can prefer any sort of sound signature or lack thereof. With some recordings I prefer the voicing/slight mellowing aspects an amp with a tube in it brings. For other, better source masters, I often prefer all solid-state.
E.g. if the value/beauty of a painting was only measured by its accuracy, Impressionism may have never have come about. All valued paintings would be of the Realism variety.
I bet I'll wish I continued to avoid posting. Few posts in this thread actually address the OP. Much of this belongs in yet another "If it doesn't measure better it cannot be better" thread.