Thelonious Monk
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head-fi is a really easy trolling target it seems
Head-fi and BOSE
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mateo05
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| Originally Posted by John_M /img/forum/go_quote.gif My spelling is flawless, thank you very much! |
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| Originally Posted by John_M /img/forum/go_quote.gif Revalation Complete. 
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Jahn
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in all fairness to the OP, he put (sic) after the first "revalation" to poke fun at the bad spelling of the OP of the Bose bashing thread, so he's actually poking fun at the people poking fun at him poking fun at the Bose basher OP of the other thread.
see? that wasn't so hard. RLY! =)
see? that wasn't so hard. RLY! =)
FooTemps
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NO WAI!
I actually agree with the OP's lighthearted comment. Good headphones should all be 50 dollars maximum if companies could get people to purchase en masse. Amp prices would be driven down by competition and everyone would be an audiophile! OMG GOOD IDEA AMIRITE!?
But honestly, hi-fi has always been overpriced due to the limited production and sales. We all lose money because of that; it's kinda sad. (But on the brighter side, we get great sounding gear!)
Placebo effect is very true also... The blind cable test in the cables/tweaks forum points towards that fact. Yes, people said the cables all sounded different, but they didn't know which one was the good one.
| Originally Posted by Jahn /img/forum/go_quote.gif in all fairness to the OP, he put (sic) after the first "revalation" to poke fun at the bad spelling of the OP of the Bose bashing thread, so he's actually poking fun at the people poking fun at him poking fun at the Bose basher OP of the other thread. see? that wasn't so hard. RLY! =) |
NO WAI!
I actually agree with the OP's lighthearted comment. Good headphones should all be 50 dollars maximum if companies could get people to purchase en masse. Amp prices would be driven down by competition and everyone would be an audiophile! OMG GOOD IDEA AMIRITE!?
But honestly, hi-fi has always been overpriced due to the limited production and sales. We all lose money because of that; it's kinda sad. (But on the brighter side, we get great sounding gear!)
Placebo effect is very true also... The blind cable test in the cables/tweaks forum points towards that fact. Yes, people said the cables all sounded different, but they didn't know which one was the good one.
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I know, but I couldn't resist an opportunity to use that pic
| Originally Posted by Jahn /img/forum/go_quote.gif in all fairness to the OP, he put (sic) after the first "revalation" to poke fun at the bad spelling of the OP of the Bose bashing thread, so he's actually poking fun at the people poking fun at him poking fun at the Bose basher OP of the other thread. see? that wasn't so hard. RLY! =) |
I know, but I couldn't resist an opportunity to use that pic
John_M
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O rly?
| Originally Posted by mateo05 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I know, but I couldn't resist an opportunity to use that pic
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O rly?
Jahn
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see, now was he playing along to make you think he fell into your play on play on bad spelling, or did you really get him to fall for the play on play on bad spelling, or am i just thinking that you are playing with his play on your play on his play pointing out your bad spelling as a play on the OP of the other thread's bad spelling...ARGH I CANNOT WIN TEH INTERNET!
| Originally Posted by John_M /img/forum/go_quote.gif O rly?
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see, now was he playing along to make you think he fell into your play on play on bad spelling, or did you really get him to fall for the play on play on bad spelling, or am i just thinking that you are playing with his play on your play on his play pointing out your bad spelling as a play on the OP of the other thread's bad spelling...ARGH I CANNOT WIN TEH INTERNET!
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got to agree with the op. we do chant a fair amount of mantras here. at the same time, i do agree that bose are not worth the money, but who cares. if a company claims it is great and is good or okay, what is the matter? even if they sell for ridiculous prices?
why should we care? we are not buying them are we? oh, other than iem bose. but of course, that is a different story, those are actually quite good for the money (if such a thing exists).
similarly, why buy the 650 then upgrade the cable for 200$? what is the point? you now have a 550$ headphone that performs similarly or less stellar than a cheaper beyer or grado or (put your favourite fanboy headphone in place). we do the same, just with different brands. i would not buy the triport, but would i flame someone for owning it? rather not.
we think we rock, but i reckon some of us are just damn ugly... we could use a focus on fashion rather than on headphones and underwear...
why should we care? we are not buying them are we? oh, other than iem bose. but of course, that is a different story, those are actually quite good for the money (if such a thing exists).
similarly, why buy the 650 then upgrade the cable for 200$? what is the point? you now have a 550$ headphone that performs similarly or less stellar than a cheaper beyer or grado or (put your favourite fanboy headphone in place). we do the same, just with different brands. i would not buy the triport, but would i flame someone for owning it? rather not.
we think we rock, but i reckon some of us are just damn ugly... we could use a focus on fashion rather than on headphones and underwear...
goldenratiophi
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| Originally Posted by mateo05 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I know, but I couldn't resist an opportunity to use that pic
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| Originally Posted by Jahn /img/forum/go_quote.gif see, now was he playing along to make you think he fell into your play on play on bad spelling, or did you really get him to fall for the play on play on bad spelling, or am i just thinking that you are playing with his play on your play on his play pointing out your bad spelling as a play on the OP of the other thread's bad spelling...ARGH I CANNOT WIN TEH INTERNET! |
Wmcmanus
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Tough call on this one. To close or not to close this thread: that is the question.
For those of you who have been around for a while, you may have noticed that I'm of the opinion that our membership has become increasingly sensitive (to the point of being over-reactive at times) to folks with low post counts who start threads to present contrarian arguments. Such folks seem to be quickly labelled as 'trolls' and then get ganged up on, which in turn causes them to go on the defensive, which in turn causes more people to start screaming 'troll', etc.
Admitttedly, I'm not so sure myself about what is "causing" what in these instances. Perhaps, more than anything, it has to do with the credibility of the original poster. Were he to have couched his argument with some good examples that were backed by his listening experiences, then perhaps this thread would have gotten off to a better start. But by making his point only half way (i.e., establishing the "thought" behind his thread but not following through with any substantive evidence), he's left himself open to a sea of barracudas who are hungry for a bite of flesh (many of whom clearly do have the experience to back up their counter arguments).
So what I'm now resigned to do in these instances is to take a two-fold strategy:
1. Kindly ask everyone to back off a bit with the accusations and name calling, and
2. Ask the original poster to expand upon his idea, preferably with some solid examples of why he believes there is merit to his opinion.
Then perhaps we can have a discusison. Of course anyone else who wants to jump in to add support to the OP's perspective should feel free to do so, since "he" doesn't necessarily need to be the one to "prove" his point.
My point is that if there is something (anything) worth discussing here, then let's discuss it. But if we're just going to toss tomatos then this thread will disappear in a hurry.
Here's my take on it, for what it's worth.
1. If a different member had started an otherwise identical thread to express these exact same views, but "backed" it with a high post count (or better yet, a proven history of making sensible posts, no matter how many that might be), most people would have at least given him/her a chance to clarify or expand upon his/her arguments.
2. Although I think the analogy of BOSE versus "all the other stuff" that we may buy as a result of being guided by the wisdom and experience of other Head-Fi members is a bit extreme, I do think that he may have a point in there somewhere (but I don't want to play mind reader, or to be the one to make the point for him).
3. My view is simply that you need to hear things for yourself and let your ears be the judge. I also believe that style counts every bit as much in audio gear as it does in a car or pair of shoes. You may have different headphones and amps for different purposes and "sounding good/better/best" isn't necessarily the one and only goal of all hobbiests.
So if someone wants to have a pair of BOSE Triports for the posing value that they attribute to them (i.e., because they are among the uninitiated masses), then more power to them. I'm not above saying that I have a pair of Audio Technica EW-9 for this very same reason. Quite simply, I love the way they look! Are they over priced "junk"? I'm not sure about them being over priced these days, but they were $200 when I bought them (now about $120). So ya, I paid too much for them in terms of their "raw talent" but their use is more than just functional to me.
Let me circle back... since this has become such a long post! Sorry about that. My main point in all of this was to say that there may be a valid point in the original poster's argument, or maybe not. But if we start in with the troll bit, then he will automatically go on the defensive. The more often this pattern repeats itself, the less newbie friendly Head-Fi will become, which is not a good thing in my view.
For those of you who have been around for a while, you may have noticed that I'm of the opinion that our membership has become increasingly sensitive (to the point of being over-reactive at times) to folks with low post counts who start threads to present contrarian arguments. Such folks seem to be quickly labelled as 'trolls' and then get ganged up on, which in turn causes them to go on the defensive, which in turn causes more people to start screaming 'troll', etc.
Admitttedly, I'm not so sure myself about what is "causing" what in these instances. Perhaps, more than anything, it has to do with the credibility of the original poster. Were he to have couched his argument with some good examples that were backed by his listening experiences, then perhaps this thread would have gotten off to a better start. But by making his point only half way (i.e., establishing the "thought" behind his thread but not following through with any substantive evidence), he's left himself open to a sea of barracudas who are hungry for a bite of flesh (many of whom clearly do have the experience to back up their counter arguments).
So what I'm now resigned to do in these instances is to take a two-fold strategy:
1. Kindly ask everyone to back off a bit with the accusations and name calling, and
2. Ask the original poster to expand upon his idea, preferably with some solid examples of why he believes there is merit to his opinion.
Then perhaps we can have a discusison. Of course anyone else who wants to jump in to add support to the OP's perspective should feel free to do so, since "he" doesn't necessarily need to be the one to "prove" his point.
My point is that if there is something (anything) worth discussing here, then let's discuss it. But if we're just going to toss tomatos then this thread will disappear in a hurry.
Here's my take on it, for what it's worth.
1. If a different member had started an otherwise identical thread to express these exact same views, but "backed" it with a high post count (or better yet, a proven history of making sensible posts, no matter how many that might be), most people would have at least given him/her a chance to clarify or expand upon his/her arguments.
2. Although I think the analogy of BOSE versus "all the other stuff" that we may buy as a result of being guided by the wisdom and experience of other Head-Fi members is a bit extreme, I do think that he may have a point in there somewhere (but I don't want to play mind reader, or to be the one to make the point for him).
3. My view is simply that you need to hear things for yourself and let your ears be the judge. I also believe that style counts every bit as much in audio gear as it does in a car or pair of shoes. You may have different headphones and amps for different purposes and "sounding good/better/best" isn't necessarily the one and only goal of all hobbiests.
So if someone wants to have a pair of BOSE Triports for the posing value that they attribute to them (i.e., because they are among the uninitiated masses), then more power to them. I'm not above saying that I have a pair of Audio Technica EW-9 for this very same reason. Quite simply, I love the way they look! Are they over priced "junk"? I'm not sure about them being over priced these days, but they were $200 when I bought them (now about $120). So ya, I paid too much for them in terms of their "raw talent" but their use is more than just functional to me.
Let me circle back... since this has become such a long post! Sorry about that. My main point in all of this was to say that there may be a valid point in the original poster's argument, or maybe not. But if we start in with the troll bit, then he will automatically go on the defensive. The more often this pattern repeats itself, the less newbie friendly Head-Fi will become, which is not a good thing in my view.
jinp6301
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nice post Wmcmanus.
I believe that at least some of what the OP says is true. If you tell someone that something is gonna sound good long enough and they believe it, its gonna sound good when you hear it.
The best way to solve this IMO is a headphone test. Have someone without any audio knowledge and ask then what sounds good after hearing a few diffrent headphones without them having any knowledge about the headphones that theyre listening to. Then after a week (or a month) tell them what headphone is then let them hear them and ask them what sounds good.
wouldnt this work?
I believe that at least some of what the OP says is true. If you tell someone that something is gonna sound good long enough and they believe it, its gonna sound good when you hear it.
The best way to solve this IMO is a headphone test. Have someone without any audio knowledge and ask then what sounds good after hearing a few diffrent headphones without them having any knowledge about the headphones that theyre listening to. Then after a week (or a month) tell them what headphone is then let them hear them and ask them what sounds good.
wouldnt this work?
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Of course it would work. You just gotta find a Head-Fier with some good headphones AND the Bose Triports (or the willingness to buy them). And I'm sure there are some people here who have those...
| Originally Posted by jinp6301 /img/forum/go_quote.gif The best way to solve this IMO is a headphone test. Have someone without any audio knowledge and ask then what sounds good after hearing a few diffrent headphones without them having any knowledge about the headphones that theyre listening to. Then after a week (or a month) tell them what headphone is then let them hear them and ask them what sounds good. wouldnt this work? |
Of course it would work. You just gotta find a Head-Fier with some good headphones AND the Bose Triports (or the willingness to buy them). And I'm sure there are some people here who have those...
pinkfloyd4ever
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[size=large]LMAO HAHAAAA[/size] that's f'n [size=large]AWESOME[/size]
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FooTemps
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It would work just like how the blind cable test worked except with a different test group IMO. It's all preference really. I think it would be better if we somehow masked the headphones while keeping them sounding/feeling the same and tested it on a more "audiophile" group.
| Originally Posted by jinp6301 /img/forum/go_quote.gif nice post Wmcmanus. I believe that at least some of what the OP says is true. If you tell someone that something is gonna sound good long enough and they believe it, its gonna sound good when you hear it. The best way to solve this IMO is a headphone test. Have someone without any audio knowledge and ask then what sounds good after hearing a few diffrent headphones without them having any knowledge about the headphones that theyre listening to. Then after a week (or a month) tell them what headphone is then let them hear them and ask them what sounds good. wouldnt this work? |
It would work just like how the blind cable test worked except with a different test group IMO. It's all preference really. I think it would be better if we somehow masked the headphones while keeping them sounding/feeling the same and tested it on a more "audiophile" group.
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