[tru blu]

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Originally Posted by Coltrane /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thankfully, nothing about Miles Davis' music says 'i like to beat and degrade women.'

The singer Betty Carter, who actually witnessed Miles' volatility with one of his wives firsthand (and got in his face about it), always maintained that the "sweetness" in Miles' tone was such an aphrodisiac that she believed he loved women deeply. Needless to say, he was a pretty complicated individual.

 

[Hermitt]

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Originally Posted by F107plus5 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Then again, about the worst thing I ever heard about any of my favorite artists is one of them married his 13 year old cousin,

^^ Great Balls of Fire!

 

[Chu]

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Originally Posted by Coltrane /img/forum/go_quote.gif This brings up and interesting question, does an artists behaviour turn you on to their music? Have you ever disliked someones music greatly, but something they did (say building a charity, or going slightly off script during a telethon) make you like them more? I was never a Kanye West fan, Im still not. But I did give him a proper listen AFTER the whole Katrina stuff.

I had a lot more respect for Leftover Crack after they left Epitaph because they grew sick of the homophobia amongst a lot of the other signed bands they were working with. As liberal as the punk scene is it's true that there is an incredible amount of homophobia lingering.

They essentially walked away from a ton of money by breaking the record deal, their sounds is something commercial radio would have embraced wholesale. In some ways they got the worst of it by signing with Hellcat, the stigmata of selling out without a label with the power to drive commercial success.

 

[Altoids]

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Originally Posted by Computerpro3 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Until it's yours that a genius is trying to take. I'll believe that you honestly believe in what you're saying when you're willing to give up your life to find out the lethal dose of a chimera smallpox virus. Hey, you're helping out humankind!

Hahahahahaha, nooo. I'm human, so of course I'll try to preserve my own life, but if I die I have to admit that my life was only one in a series of lives just like it, and that I'm not lawfully or metaphysically entitled to a future.

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Someone in earshot of me once praised slavery for giving us rock and roll, and it took every humane impulse I had in my body to keep from throwing a drink on him. Life is given to randomness and chance, and whereas it's fine if we can learn from the heinous things that happen to us, I'm not sure it means those evils can ever really be forgiven.

I only have one question for you: Do you think you'd enjoy such deep, noble emotions without a long history of very evil men doing unimaginable things behind you?

 

[tru blu]

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Originally Posted by Altoids /img/forum/go_quote.gif I only have one question for you: Do you think you'd enjoy such deep, noble emotions without a long history of very evil men doing unimaginable things behind you?

Umm, I'm not sure I understand the question, but generally speaking, we tolerate evil because we don't really have a choice, no? It's going to be here whether we like it or not. To my thinking, there's no need to make like unspeakable acts deserve some kind of fair hearing, no matter what they might lead to.

 

[Altoids]

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Originally Posted by tru blu /img/forum/go_quote.gif Umm, I'm not sure I understand the question, but generally speaking, we tolerate evil because we don't really have a choice, no?

I mean this: Your perception of evil is intimately linked to a history of evil having been done and remembered. Because you know and believe Hitler killed six million people, and individual life happens to mean something to you, your idea of evil is extended at least to that real limit. You have a historical reference for atrocity, something to anchor your emotions to. Without Hitler, your sense of right and wrong would be significantly more primitive, don't you agree?

 

[tru blu]

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Originally Posted by Altoids /img/forum/go_quote.gif I mean this: Your perception of evil is intimately linked to a history of evil having been done and remembered. Because you know and believe Hitler killed six million people, and individual life happens to mean something to you, your idea of evil is extended at least to that real limit. You have a historical reference for atrocity, something to anchor your emotions to. Without Hitler, your sense of right and wrong would be significantly more primitive, don't you agree?

I'd rather not continue to hijack the thread, but I'll just say that under the circumstances I think measurements of magnitude are irrelevant. We don't necessarily need to know those things to know that racism can lead to senseless killing, and that it's a good idea to be on guard for warning signs.

Back to the music...

 

[oicdn]

Kinda...a couple years ago, Ludacris was doing an interview about Hip-Hop and he said "My lyrics are deep and meaningful...true hip-hop..." 1st song that came to mind was "throw dem bows".....yeah, nothing deep or meaningful bout those lyrics...

So i went on a little stint of getting sick to my stomach everytime I heard a Ludacris album. Then, after I was watching a *****, "get back" by Ludacris was playin in the background of the clip...and I've been OK ever since, lol.

 

[Computerpro3]

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Originally Posted by Coltrane /img/forum/go_quote.gif This brings up and interesting question, does an artists behaviour turn you on to their music? Have you ever disliked someones music greatly, but something they did (say building a charity, or going slightly off script during a telethon) make you like them more? I was never a Kanye West fan, Im still not. But I did give him a proper listen AFTER the whole Katrina stuff.

As a Miles Davis fan I have learned to suspend personal judgment on artists. The only time it is a problem is when the music expresses the aspect of a personality that I find objectionable. Kayne West might be a great example. Both his music and his politics are about savage ignorance and bloated self importance and it turns me off to his music.(obviously I dont want a political argument, this is just my opinion.)

 

[tru blu]

Bloated self-importance maybe, but savage ignorance? Not so sure. I don't consider myself a Kanye West fan—I think his music's a bit contrived, audibly so—but just a couple of weeks ago I saw a decent documentary, Bling: A Planet Rock, that followed some rappers (Raekwon, Tego Calderón, among others) to Sierra Leone to witness postwar conditions there (especially in the diamond trade). The filmmaker, hip-hop journalist Raquel Cepeda, definitely got the idea from West's "Diamonds from Sierra Leone."

 

[Coltrane]

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Originally Posted by Computerpro3 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Kayne West might be a great example. Both his music and his politics are about savage ignorance and bloated self importance and it turns me off to his music.

I actually agree completely. Which is why, even after given him a shot, I am not a Kanye fan.

 

[Orcin]

I learned a long time ago that if I avoided an entertainer based on personal behavior, politics, sexual preference, or religious beliefs, I would be missing a lot of good music, movies, and TV. Therefore, I tolerate a lot of things from entertainers that I would not want to see from my family and friends.

 

[fordgtlover]

Quite frankly I would be happy if I could buy enjoyable music and avoid the noise about artists, producers and labels.

If they make good music - that's good. I hate the cult of personality. I like the Dixie Chicks' music, but I won't take political advice from them. Pink is an entertainer, not a social commentator.

I don't care which artists are junkies, alcoholics, or gays.

I don't know anything about he guy who designed, engineered or built my K701, why should I want to know more about the people whose music I play through them.

 

[stewtheking]

I am distressed by Amy Winehouse, and her filthy heroine habit. I wish she would stop taking it, and go back to making slick jazz tunes, a-la her first album, "Frank".

 

[Champloo]

^ You make it sound so easy...