[marvin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by D1g1talV3n0m /img/forum/go_quote.gif I wouldn't go with a HK. Are they good guns? Of course. Is the price warranted? Not if you ask me.

True, the additional money for an HK doesn't get you much but the name. (Unless it's a P7 of course.

)

But, as a member of the "small hands, fat fingers" club, if it fits, it fits. I've spent a lot of money cycling through wondernines to find one that fits right and shoots well, and I'd be kicking myself if I passed over the right one just to save a few hundred bucks.

 

[D1g1talV3n0m]

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvin /img/forum/go_quote.gif True, the additional money for an HK doesn't get you much but the name. (Unless it's a P7 of course. ) But, as a member of the "small hands, fat fingers" club, if it fits, it fits. I've spent a lot of money cycling through wondernines to find one that fits right and shoots well, and I'd be kicking myself if I passed over the right one just to save a few hundred bucks.

Another gun he could try is FN Herstal or Walther. Those MIGHT be a better choice for him and save him money also.

To the OP...

I am not a big fan of the 40. I stick with the 9mm and 10mm personally. One thing is go to a range and try out the guns you think you might like. Once you find the one you can shoot well, feels good, and is reliably buy that one.

 

[trains are bad]

Look long and hard at the M&Ps. I do consider them a gun that needs trigger work, but since I can do my own that's not a big deal. I love my 9mm compact to death.

 

[Old Pa]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrarroyo /img/forum/go_quote.gif I would like to get a lever action chambered in 44 magnum, any suggestions? Thanks.

I showed you my Winchester Model 94 Trapper, and to my mind that's the pick of the litter. I've also owned the Rossi copy of the Winchester Model 92 in .44Rem Mag and a Marlin Guide Gun in the same caliber, but they were not as accurate as the Trapper for me and I needed room in the safe.

For a Trapper in .44Rem Mag, you are going to have to hit gun shows (where I found mine), Shotgun News, or the guns classified in print or on line.

 

[phergus_25]

Im on the way to get my first rifle in my name,
Im 18 and have grown up around guns my entire life,
but dont have a rifle in my name yet.

Im getting a Marlin 17 hmr

 

[mrarroyo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Pa /img/forum/go_quote.gif I showed you my Winchester Model 94 Trapper, and to my mind that's the pick of the litter. I've also owned the Rossi copy of the Winchester Model 92 in .44Rem Mag and a Marlin Guide Gun in the same caliber, but they were not as accurate as the Trapper for me and I needed room in the safe. For a Trapper in .44Rem Mag, you are going to have to hit gun shows (where I found mine), Shotgun News, or the guns classified in print or on line.

Thanks, let the search start!

 

[TwoFiveOne]

At one point I had 21 Smith & Wesson revolvers but have sold off almost all of them since I don't really have anyone to leave them to and the prices they now fetch have just gone nuts.

I have lots of photos of them all. Here is a Model 27-2 .357, from 1975, a real classic.

 

[Old Pa]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwoFiveOne /img/forum/go_quote.gif I have lots of photos of them all. Here is a Model 27-2 .357, from 1975, a real classic.

Those N frame S&Ws with pinned barrels, counterbored cylinders, old style hammers and good sights certainly are muy beautiful and desirable. One of the only guns that made full .357Rem Mag loads pleasant to shoot from a recoil standpoint. Back them I had a four inch Model 19, a 2 1/2 inch Model 66 and a six inch Model 66, but I always felt that K frames were too light for shooting a lot of .357Rem Mags.

This is my current six inch .357 Smith; a Model 686 with Pachmayr Grippers. It doesn't have pinned barrel or counterbored cylinder, but it was one of the first production L frames and was set up at the factory as a PPC gun. It's had its timing cleaned up, a single action rebound spring fitted, and the main spring boned out to lighten it. An excellent field revolver.

 

[ALBPM]

Weekend outing at Whittington...

Sighting in at the target range

One of my recent FN FAL builds. This one is mostly from STG Austrian parts with a nice desert camo finish

The Silhouette Range banging the 600 meter gongs

The high power range

Chasing the deer off one of the CQB ranges.

 

[Old Pa]

FN/FALs! Before there were ARs in .308, there were H&K 93s/G3s and M-14s. The FAL was not originally developed in 7.62x51/.308Win (a shortened .30-06 made possible by the development of ball powder), but was rapidly converted to that caliber after the U.S. Army force fed .308Win to NATO. The FAL was a better rifle than the M-14, especially in full auto, but it was Belgian made in the 1950s and politics are politics. Especially in the hands of the U.K. and the Commonwealth nations, it served throughout the Cold War. With the 7.62x51/.308Win you have actual antivehicle as well as antipersonnel capability; SAS bricks in Northern Ireland were having trouble stopping IRA vehicles with .223 rifles until they began to employ some Argentinian folding stock FALs seized in the Falklands. Problem solved.

Mine is a D. S. Arms model of the 1990s made up on their receiver largely of Steyr parts. I chose it over the H&K as its adjustable gas system has significantly less perceived recoil. It carries another Leupold 4.5-14X40 scope in a light alloy see through ring mount arrangement which allows simultaneous use of the iron sights. It's mostly fed ChiCom 7.62x51 military ammunition which does little to develop the rifle's accuracy potential. Off of bags, however, it will keep 3 round "hammers" on a 12 inch by 8 inch log target at 100 yards.

 

[trains are bad]

How much do you all think .22-250 with 40 grain bullets drifts in the wind? We were trying to nail a groundhog at 410 yards today, but there was a stiff gusting crossbreeze. We shot at it 6 times, and never did get it. Quite embarassing.

 

[mrarroyo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by trains are bad /img/forum/go_quote.gif How much do you all think .22-250 with 40 grain bullets drifts in the wind? We were trying to nail a groundhog at 410 yards today, but there was a stiff gusting crossbreeze. We shot at it 6 times, and never did get it. Quite embarassing.

the .22-250 and the .220 swift are two rifles that I have always wanted to own but never set the money aside to do so.

Now with all my money going the music I do not see geting one in the near future. Furthermore living in Miami Beach there are not places to shoot beyond 25 meters.

 

[mrarroyo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwoFiveOne /img/forum/go_quote.gif At one point I had 21 Smith & Wesson revolvers but have sold off almost all of them since I don't really have anyone to leave them to and the prices they now fetch have just gone nuts. I have lots of photos of them all. Here is a Model 27-2 .357, from 1975, a real classic.

Now this is a piece that I have shot (not same gun of course

) and it was such a pleasure. If you shoot 38 special loads is like shooting 22's (well almost)

 

[Old Pa]

Quote:

Originally Posted by trains are bad /img/forum/go_quote.gif How much do you all think .22-250 with 40 grain bullets drifts in the wind? We were trying to nail a groundhog at 410 yards today, but there was a stiff gusting crossbreeze. We shot at it 6 times, and never did get it. Quite embarassing.

Answer: a lot. Can't tell you how much not knowing your muzzle velocity or the wind speed and direction, but short .223 bullets like that sacrifice a lot of ballistic coefficient, which is also a measure of bucking wind drift, for velocity. It's all a compromise. I shoot no bullets lighter than 55 grains in the .22-250. If you had 20-30MPH of direct crosswind across the 410 yards, you could very well be talking 30 or 40 inches of drift. Did you even see any ground impact dust?

 

[leftnose]

Here's the inside of my safe:

There are two .22 rifles in the back row on the left. The rest are shotguns.

and I *think* there are about 10 more not inside the safe.