Geek Pulse: Geek desktop DAC/AMP by Light Harmonics

Dec 12, 2015 at 3:34 PM Post #10,396 of 13,808
The single ended headphone output of the Pulse DAC is 7V RMS.
Into a 600 ohm load that gives 81.66mW output power.
Into 50 ohms, that would be 980mW, and into 16 ohms it would be 3.025W.

High impedance headphones really could do with using a medium power speaker amp, just to get enough output voltage todrive them hard.

J.P.
 
Dec 13, 2015 at 6:34 AM Post #10,397 of 13,808
Dear Santa Claus,
 
My one Christmas wish is that my Pulse Infinity finally arrives whilst I still have a pulse left to use it!  
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Thanks,
Andy.
 
P.S. I first pledged for it in OCTOBER 2013. 
 
Dec 13, 2015 at 9:47 AM Post #10,398 of 13,808
Let's hope that when we receive our Infinities they have had any issues resolved. I don't look forward to having to update firmware as I don't have access to a PC that allows installation of the software required for updates and having to send it back to the USA for hardware issues is something I prefer not to think about.

As a later backer than you, although still original campaign -December 2013, I wonder when in the new year we might receive the Infinities.
 
Dec 13, 2015 at 1:41 PM Post #10,399 of 13,808
LH Labs have failed miserably with every Pulse Infinity delivery target they've set - especially for overseas backers - so I'd take everything they say with a very large pinch of salt.


Let's hope that when we receive our Infinities they have had any issues resolved. I don't look forward to having to update firmware as I don't have access to a PC that allows installation of the software required for updates and having to send it back to the USA for hardware issues is something I prefer not to think about.

As a later backer than you, although still original campaign -December 2013, I wonder when in the new year we might receive the Infinities.
 
Dec 13, 2015 at 5:28 PM Post #10,401 of 13,808
I received my SE Infinity yesterday and I must say this thing sounds great! I lack a good pair of resolving headphones, but it made my P7's sound like a new phone. My question is, are there any equalizers I can use with the LH Labs software? The LPS4 and Pulse has been playing music through it since it arrived and out of the box sounded clear. Thanks for any help received!!
 
Dec 15, 2015 at 2:46 AM Post #10,405 of 13,808
The single ended headphone output of the Pulse DAC is 7V RMS.
Into a 600 ohm load that gives 81.66mW output power.
Into 50 ohms, that would be 980mW, and into 16 ohms it would be 3.025W.

High impedance headphones really could do with using a medium power speaker amp, just to get enough output voltage todrive them hard.

J.P.


Thanks for your answer, but it seems hard to believe, since Schiit Magni for example provides with 1.8W at 16 Ohms and 300 mW at 600 Ohms. The Sfi seems pretty weak by comparison on high Ohm loads. Forgive my ignorance, I am not really tech-savvy. Still, this could all be avoided if LHlabs provided a simple list of specs, like Schiit (and everybody else for that matter) does for their products.
 
Dec 15, 2015 at 4:38 AM Post #10,406 of 13,808
The Magni II specs (130mW : 600 ohms) calculate out to appropriately 8.83V output. The whopping 1.8W : 16 ohms calculates out to a current limit of about 335mA, where the the Pulse output of 3.025W : 16 ohms is about 434mA. The Pulse provides a solid power doubling for every load impedance halving down to 16 ohms where the Magni II starts power limiting around 100 ohms load.

As an aside, 130mW into 600 ohms is only about 2.5dB more than 81.66mW into that same 600 ohms. This is only a little louder, and nowhere near the twice as loud as some think it should be.

As I said, high impedance headphones might be better served by a medium power speaker amp that can deliver the higher voltage required to drive them to a high power level. For example, an 80 watt into 8 ohm power amp would provide about 25.3V and be able to drive 600 ohm headphones to about 1.066W. Also, high impedance headphones are very well served by tube amps and are well suited to the Output Transformerless variety, as these naturally provide high output voltage but are limited in output current.

The ability of the Pulse to maintain its output voltage of 7V down to a 16 ohm load actually ranks it as rather sturdy. The ability to deliver the higher current to achieve this also means that it will have more control authority over all headphones than a more current limited amp such as the Magni.

If you need more power for high impedance headphones then you will need a specialized amp designed for this far end of the spectrum load. While there are some very fine headphones that have this (nowadays) unusually high impedance, the vast majority of headphones are in the range of 16 to 50 ohms or so. Specialty headphones often deserve and require specialty equipment to get the most out of them.

J.P.
 
Dec 15, 2015 at 8:33 AM Post #10,407 of 13,808
not to mention the magni is class AB and the pulse is class A
 
Dec 15, 2015 at 9:00 AM Post #10,408 of 13,808
Should I get a JDS O2 Headphone Amp when I get the Infinity and even for the Geek Out 450?
 
Dec 15, 2015 at 1:07 PM Post #10,409 of 13,808
The Pulse has a very nice headphone amp built in. I don't have any direct experience with the O2 amp, but do understand that it is pretty good. You might have to go to something noticeably better than the O2 to best the amp built into the Pulse. On the other hand, the O2 might be better, have a signature that you prefer, or possibly be a more synergistic match to your favorite headphones.

Similarly, the Geek Out 450 has a nice headphone amp, but would be a but easier to improve on and the O2 might well be a good choice here.

J.P.
 
Dec 15, 2015 at 6:48 PM Post #10,410 of 13,808
Is there any difference between the single ended and balanced line out? Is one better than the other?
 

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