I was pleasantly surprised by the Bathys at CanJam and, now that I own them, I've been comparing them favorably not just to the Celestee but the Stellia. Yes, they're dynamic and punchy but not at the loss of good tone color and balance. One thing I am missing versus other Focals is a slight metallic sheen (owing perhaps to beryllium drivers). The absence of this coloration is a welcome thing.
Focal Bathys - Wireless ANC Over-Ear Headphone
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You did read the fine print that says "Maximum Sample Rate" and "up to"? The light that maxes out at 24-48 is low latency mode, while the purple light lets it go up to 24-96 if the headphones support it. The color only specifies which mode it is, it doesn't specify which sample rate that is actually run as that is a negotiation between the headphone and dongle and is also dependent on quality of the signal.
With adaptive you do not know the sample rate or bit rate unless the the headphones tell you, which I doubt Qualcomm wants them to show. There is a reason why it is called adaptive as it scales up and down and the receiver might not support more than 24-48. The limit on the headphones is only listed for USB DAC mode on Focal's website so not sure where the Bathys maxes out over BT. Not that it matters much as all BT, outside of LDAC needs a lot of compression and even max rate LDAC compresses quite a bit. E.g. 24-96 is aprox. 2300kbps while base version of aptX adaptive sends 420kbps while LDAC maxes out at 990kbps.
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Ordered! Thanks.Ah. Yeah, 3rd party mfi dongle, so the power message doesn't come up. As long as it's mfi certified, should work, and i think only rhe Apple brand gives power message
roines1987
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Hi, so I have finally solved bad audio through Bluetooth on Sony Xperia 1 V, well with the help from Sony Support team. I had to run a program on pc "Software Repair" and luckily that helped a lot. I am so happy now.
What I also found out is that the smallest details are better delivered through AptX rather than AptX Adaptive with Focal Bathys. I have no idea why since Bathys support Adaptive.
The only reason I discovered it because things sounded better on Samsung S8, so I looked on Bluetooth specs there and it only supports AptX, so I tried the same on Sony and disabled Adaptive and finally got the sound I was looking for. Super happy. Thanks everyone
What I also found out is that the smallest details are better delivered through AptX rather than AptX Adaptive with Focal Bathys. I have no idea why since Bathys support Adaptive.
The only reason I discovered it because things sounded better on Samsung S8, so I looked on Bluetooth specs there and it only supports AptX, so I tried the same on Sony and disabled Adaptive and finally got the sound I was looking for. Super happy. Thanks everyone
noplsestar
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Wireworld Starlight 8 USB 3.1 Audio Cable Review
Alright guys, since I got very intrigued by @LifeAspect ´s and @coldbru ´s mentioning of the Wireworld Starlight 8 USB 3.1 cable, I reached out to the German distributor and asked for an example of the 1 meter cable in exchange for an honest review (using the cable with my Bathys). I was a musician and producer about 15 years ago but changed my career and got a writer … as well as an audiophile listener.
Back then when I had the Focal Stellia in my possession, I already reviewed some cables for other boutique manufacturers, although these (e.g. silver/palladium) cables were priced around 2k $, and so about 10 times as expensive as the Wireworld cable. It was a completely different take as they were cables for analogue signals and I used them with my LGPT Ti DAP. So it was a VERY expensive „portable“ rig I had about two years ago. But back to the Bathys:
When I got these headphones, I mainly used them with the original USB-C cable from Focal (and my Samsung Galaxy s10e).
But first things first: the EQ
I only use them with this EQ
-2.5db/62Hz
-2db/250Hz
+1.5db/1kHz
+2db/4kHz
+1.5db/16kHz
Which is a slight alteration of what @Nomax suggests (thanks again for your findings with your "golden ears")
BUT as some albums are mastered rather quietly (such as: Stevie Wonder - Talking Book, Steely Dan - Two Against Nature, Bab Marley and the Wailers albums etc. etc.) I just boosted all frequencies across the whole spectrum for exactly 4 dB, which afterwards looks like this:
+1.5db/62Hz
+2db/250Hz
+5.5db/1kHz
+6db/4kHz
+5.5db/16kHz
I tested it: It sounds the same as above, doesn’t distort etc. It just makes everything louder and gives you more headroom to play with on the mobile phone or laptop. BUT please take care of your ears! Of course you have to make the music quieter when listening to „normal compressed“ modern music. In fact the Focal engineers knew that they had to implement the EQ in a way so that boosting all frequencies doesn’t distort the sound by any way and just makes it … well, louder.
Anyways, this EQ, in my opinion, is what an album should sound like. How would I know that? Well, I spent uncountable hours of my life in studios with recording-, mixing- and mastering-engineers. So at least I know how the albums I produced myself should sound like. This EQ comes closest to that feeling I had back then in the mixing- and mastering studios (and probably also approaches the Harman curve).
So, now that we’ve got that covered, I’d like to get back to the USB cables. With the original Focal USB-C cable, I didn’t find anything to complain about sound wise. But at the same time I sensed that the Bathys could squeeze out more (better sounding) music with the right cable. I came to that conclusion because at the beginning I was listening with an iPhone. I bought an ordinary chi-fi cable (Meenova) from AliExpress with a lightning adapter on one end. It sounded okay-ish. Then I bought the Apple Camera Kit adapter and connected the Focal USB-C to the Apple dongle. Well, what can I say: It sounded better. Then I ditched my iPhone and bought an android phone. And again: It sounded better to directly connect the Bathys with the USB-C to the mobile phone. Then again, when connecting the Focal USB-C with my MacBook Pro it sounded - surprise surprise - even better than with my Samsung mobile. As you see, I heard differences between different devices with different cables AND between different devices with the same cable. So that’s why I thought that an upgrade cable might result in an even better sound. This was the time where I remembered some head-fiers talking about a Wireworld cable. And the rest is … well, not „history“ but this review:
The Starlight 8 USB-C cable just sounds damn „right“. It takes the Bathys to a new level. Not to a „whole“ new level, but a new level nonetheless. And it doesn’t come with its downsides. But the great things first:
The bass frequencies are right there where I want them. And NO, I wouldn’t have achieved that by just raising the bass in the Focal app. I tried, believe me, I tried many many many different EQ profiles over the last few months. You will never get THAT bass. Because I felt that the cable somehow managed to raise the sub-bass beneath 62Hz. And in addition it feels like the mid bass got more punch. It is more THERE. Felt. Not only heard. Again: This wouldn’t have been able by adding more mid-bass to the EQ, which would have resulted in bloated lower mids (also looking at you, dear Stellia).
Continuing to the mids, I have only one mighty word: transparent. And I don’t want nothing else from the mids. They should be present and clean and transparent. Not bloated (lower mids), not piercing (upper mids). But clean. And I get that with the Wireworld cable.
And the highs? They are nicely extended, don’t pierce, don’t sound artificial. I repeat myself, I didn’t get the same results by rising the highs even more in the EQ. It just got artificially sounding. Too much bass isn’t good, in the same way too much highs are not good either (for your ears, for long term listening, for enjoying the music as the „artist intended“ it when recording their songs). All the details are there, but not thrown in your face. A mature tuning.
But the frequencies don’t cover up the whole cake, do they? What about sound as a whole?
What I experienced right away when listening to the Wireworld cable with my test-tracks was the stereo panorama. Man, this cables transforms the Bathys into a 3D sounding headphone. It literally feels like being in the midst of a band. With the singer prominently right in the middle and the left and right sounds going easily beyond the cups. But also the depth increases by quite a margin! I don’t only hear the music in front of me, it rather envelopes me. Separation is great. Macro dynamics as with all Focal headphones superb, but also micro details - with songs that I know by heart - are all there and then some.
Guys, I know, some of you will laugh at me, but yes, this combination beats the Focal Stellia! It does. And not only the Stellia alone (with its stock cables) but also with the combination of the palladium/silver cables I had back then. I don’t have that „rig“ in possession any more, also not the LGPT Ti. But the Bathys with the Wireworld sounds better. I can say that because so many of my favourite albums sound the way they have to. No niggling needed anymore (at least what concerns the sound). And I niggled a lot when listening through my old „rig“ worth about 10k $! And that’s crazy, when considering how „affordable“ the Bathys are in comparison to the Stellia, right? The Stellia always had too much mid-bass that would bleed into the lower mids. It was difficult to tame the upper-mid bump that caused ear-fatigue. And the highs had a metallic sheen that wouldn´t go away. It was a shame for that price (at least when compared to the price of the Bathys). All that is gone with the possibility to EQ the Bathys. And of course the DSP in the right earcup also does the trick. In combination with the Wireworld cable the Bathys soundwise outshines so many headphones it puts a smile on my face. It´s really hard to believe but I trust my ears for over two decades now. This is a killer set!
But I don’t want that review to sound like a miracle (although the cable has its „magic“), and as I am an audio enthusiast as you guys are, of course I will also tell you the downsides of that cable … so you can decide for yourself if it´s worth a shot.
Five things.
1. It costs about 200 $/€ (for the 1 meter version). For most of us this is a lot. I know. But when you think about the terrific deals right now you get for a new pair of Bathys, then you might take the plunge for that cable in order to hear it how it sounds at its best.
2. You might or might not like its looks. I like that „technically-engineer“ vibe very much. As said, in the analogue world there are so many cable manufacturers who offer bling bling cables for many thousands of dollars. And I can see how one might like that (because I liked that, too, haha), but this red cable, IMO, gives that „grey“ looking headphones a nice spicy touch.
3. It has some cable noise, not much more than the original Focal cable. When listening to music I don’t hear anything from the cable when going around so it doesn´t bother me at all. But most of us won´t run around with that cable anyways.
4. That point might be a real bummer for most of us, it is stiff. Yes. Stiff it is. Why? Because it wasn’t made for the Bathys. We wouldn’t even need the USB 3.1. I guess USB 2.0 would be suffice for high res music. But this is the only Wireworld cable with USB-C on both ends of the cable. Anyhow, this cable isn’t made for jogging. Of course you might use it at your desk, on your couch, or when on commute with the train/plane etc., and you might even use it when moving around the house or for „small“ homework where you don’t have to move a lot.
That being said, I also use them when walking around the city, like going from A to B. Does it look weird? I don’t think so. I know, some of you don’t even leave the house with the Bathys. Me personally, I don’t care.
5. The cable is only available in two lengths: 0.6 meters and 1 meter. I have got the 1 meter version and of course I thought that 1 meter is too short (against the standard length of 1.2 meters). But, to my surprise, it wasn’t. In fact I think 1.2 meters would be too long for this cable. Why? Because - and this correlates to point 4 - this cable doesn’t bend like a „normal“ cable. It has, as you can see from the pics down below, a somewhat flat design. That’s also because the power cord has its own space and therefore doesn’t interfere with the other cords that deliver the signals (which, I reckon, is one of the main plus points that results in that great sound). What I want to say is, that this cable, when „worn“ with the Bathys and my mobile phone in my left back pocket, kind of folds around my body like a spiral. As said above, it isn’t the most flexible cable out there (to put it mildly), as it wasn’t designed for walking around. But it works for me (I am no jogger). So point 5 (the length of the cable) isn’t really a „bad“ thing. I fact I wouldn’t even urge Wireworld to produce 1.2 meter cables (at least not with that cable layout). But if they would achieve to create a USB-C cable that would be more pliable than the Starlight 8, and also won’t compromise on the sound quality, that of course would be great.
Oh, and here is the link to the Wireworld Website if you want to read more about the cables´ design, conductor material, insulation etc.:
https://wireworldcable.com/products/starlight-8-usb-3-1-audio-cables
I know there are many of you who think a digital signal is a digital signal and why would it sound different on different cables? It´s just 1´s and 0´s that pass that cable, right? Nope, that’s not the case. As I read from another audiophile: USB cables don’t pass 1’s and 0’s, they pass voltage signals which are interpreted as 1’s and 0’s. Voltage below a certain level is interpreted as a 0 and voltage above a certain level is interpreted as a 1. Anything that interferes with the voltage signal can cause the data to be misinterpreted by the DAC …
But I am no engineer or technician. Last time I checked I was just a guy with two ears
So, that’s it. I will continue rediscovering all my beloved albums with the Starlight 8 … and I hope you will, too, with or without that cable (… but at least, please, try my EQ I mentioned above with the USB-C connected to the Bathys, preferably connected to your laptop/computer!! Some of you maybe will „miss“ the bloated bass, haha, but as soon as your ears/brains settle in, I am sure you will appreciate that balanced tuning for long listening sessions.)
And now, finally, let’s move on to some pics:
Alright guys, since I got very intrigued by @LifeAspect ´s and @coldbru ´s mentioning of the Wireworld Starlight 8 USB 3.1 cable, I reached out to the German distributor and asked for an example of the 1 meter cable in exchange for an honest review (using the cable with my Bathys). I was a musician and producer about 15 years ago but changed my career and got a writer … as well as an audiophile listener.
Back then when I had the Focal Stellia in my possession, I already reviewed some cables for other boutique manufacturers, although these (e.g. silver/palladium) cables were priced around 2k $, and so about 10 times as expensive as the Wireworld cable. It was a completely different take as they were cables for analogue signals and I used them with my LGPT Ti DAP. So it was a VERY expensive „portable“ rig I had about two years ago. But back to the Bathys:
When I got these headphones, I mainly used them with the original USB-C cable from Focal (and my Samsung Galaxy s10e).
But first things first: the EQ
I only use them with this EQ
-2.5db/62Hz
-2db/250Hz
+1.5db/1kHz
+2db/4kHz
+1.5db/16kHz
Which is a slight alteration of what @Nomax suggests (thanks again for your findings with your "golden ears")
BUT as some albums are mastered rather quietly (such as: Stevie Wonder - Talking Book, Steely Dan - Two Against Nature, Bab Marley and the Wailers albums etc. etc.) I just boosted all frequencies across the whole spectrum for exactly 4 dB, which afterwards looks like this:
+1.5db/62Hz
+2db/250Hz
+5.5db/1kHz
+6db/4kHz
+5.5db/16kHz
I tested it: It sounds the same as above, doesn’t distort etc. It just makes everything louder and gives you more headroom to play with on the mobile phone or laptop. BUT please take care of your ears! Of course you have to make the music quieter when listening to „normal compressed“ modern music. In fact the Focal engineers knew that they had to implement the EQ in a way so that boosting all frequencies doesn’t distort the sound by any way and just makes it … well, louder.
Anyways, this EQ, in my opinion, is what an album should sound like. How would I know that? Well, I spent uncountable hours of my life in studios with recording-, mixing- and mastering-engineers. So at least I know how the albums I produced myself should sound like. This EQ comes closest to that feeling I had back then in the mixing- and mastering studios (and probably also approaches the Harman curve).
So, now that we’ve got that covered, I’d like to get back to the USB cables. With the original Focal USB-C cable, I didn’t find anything to complain about sound wise. But at the same time I sensed that the Bathys could squeeze out more (better sounding) music with the right cable. I came to that conclusion because at the beginning I was listening with an iPhone. I bought an ordinary chi-fi cable (Meenova) from AliExpress with a lightning adapter on one end. It sounded okay-ish. Then I bought the Apple Camera Kit adapter and connected the Focal USB-C to the Apple dongle. Well, what can I say: It sounded better. Then I ditched my iPhone and bought an android phone. And again: It sounded better to directly connect the Bathys with the USB-C to the mobile phone. Then again, when connecting the Focal USB-C with my MacBook Pro it sounded - surprise surprise - even better than with my Samsung mobile. As you see, I heard differences between different devices with different cables AND between different devices with the same cable. So that’s why I thought that an upgrade cable might result in an even better sound. This was the time where I remembered some head-fiers talking about a Wireworld cable. And the rest is … well, not „history“ but this review:
The Starlight 8 USB-C cable just sounds damn „right“. It takes the Bathys to a new level. Not to a „whole“ new level, but a new level nonetheless. And it doesn’t come with its downsides. But the great things first:
The bass frequencies are right there where I want them. And NO, I wouldn’t have achieved that by just raising the bass in the Focal app. I tried, believe me, I tried many many many different EQ profiles over the last few months. You will never get THAT bass. Because I felt that the cable somehow managed to raise the sub-bass beneath 62Hz. And in addition it feels like the mid bass got more punch. It is more THERE. Felt. Not only heard. Again: This wouldn’t have been able by adding more mid-bass to the EQ, which would have resulted in bloated lower mids (also looking at you, dear Stellia).
Continuing to the mids, I have only one mighty word: transparent. And I don’t want nothing else from the mids. They should be present and clean and transparent. Not bloated (lower mids), not piercing (upper mids). But clean. And I get that with the Wireworld cable.
And the highs? They are nicely extended, don’t pierce, don’t sound artificial. I repeat myself, I didn’t get the same results by rising the highs even more in the EQ. It just got artificially sounding. Too much bass isn’t good, in the same way too much highs are not good either (for your ears, for long term listening, for enjoying the music as the „artist intended“ it when recording their songs). All the details are there, but not thrown in your face. A mature tuning.
But the frequencies don’t cover up the whole cake, do they? What about sound as a whole?
What I experienced right away when listening to the Wireworld cable with my test-tracks was the stereo panorama. Man, this cables transforms the Bathys into a 3D sounding headphone. It literally feels like being in the midst of a band. With the singer prominently right in the middle and the left and right sounds going easily beyond the cups. But also the depth increases by quite a margin! I don’t only hear the music in front of me, it rather envelopes me. Separation is great. Macro dynamics as with all Focal headphones superb, but also micro details - with songs that I know by heart - are all there and then some.
Guys, I know, some of you will laugh at me, but yes, this combination beats the Focal Stellia! It does. And not only the Stellia alone (with its stock cables) but also with the combination of the palladium/silver cables I had back then. I don’t have that „rig“ in possession any more, also not the LGPT Ti. But the Bathys with the Wireworld sounds better. I can say that because so many of my favourite albums sound the way they have to. No niggling needed anymore (at least what concerns the sound). And I niggled a lot when listening through my old „rig“ worth about 10k $! And that’s crazy, when considering how „affordable“ the Bathys are in comparison to the Stellia, right? The Stellia always had too much mid-bass that would bleed into the lower mids. It was difficult to tame the upper-mid bump that caused ear-fatigue. And the highs had a metallic sheen that wouldn´t go away. It was a shame for that price (at least when compared to the price of the Bathys). All that is gone with the possibility to EQ the Bathys. And of course the DSP in the right earcup also does the trick. In combination with the Wireworld cable the Bathys soundwise outshines so many headphones it puts a smile on my face. It´s really hard to believe but I trust my ears for over two decades now. This is a killer set!
But I don’t want that review to sound like a miracle (although the cable has its „magic“), and as I am an audio enthusiast as you guys are, of course I will also tell you the downsides of that cable … so you can decide for yourself if it´s worth a shot.
Five things.
1. It costs about 200 $/€ (for the 1 meter version). For most of us this is a lot. I know. But when you think about the terrific deals right now you get for a new pair of Bathys, then you might take the plunge for that cable in order to hear it how it sounds at its best.
2. You might or might not like its looks. I like that „technically-engineer“ vibe very much. As said, in the analogue world there are so many cable manufacturers who offer bling bling cables for many thousands of dollars. And I can see how one might like that (because I liked that, too, haha), but this red cable, IMO, gives that „grey“ looking headphones a nice spicy touch.
3. It has some cable noise, not much more than the original Focal cable. When listening to music I don’t hear anything from the cable when going around so it doesn´t bother me at all. But most of us won´t run around with that cable anyways.
4. That point might be a real bummer for most of us, it is stiff. Yes. Stiff it is. Why? Because it wasn’t made for the Bathys. We wouldn’t even need the USB 3.1. I guess USB 2.0 would be suffice for high res music. But this is the only Wireworld cable with USB-C on both ends of the cable. Anyhow, this cable isn’t made for jogging. Of course you might use it at your desk, on your couch, or when on commute with the train/plane etc., and you might even use it when moving around the house or for „small“ homework where you don’t have to move a lot.
That being said, I also use them when walking around the city, like going from A to B. Does it look weird? I don’t think so. I know, some of you don’t even leave the house with the Bathys. Me personally, I don’t care.
5. The cable is only available in two lengths: 0.6 meters and 1 meter. I have got the 1 meter version and of course I thought that 1 meter is too short (against the standard length of 1.2 meters). But, to my surprise, it wasn’t. In fact I think 1.2 meters would be too long for this cable. Why? Because - and this correlates to point 4 - this cable doesn’t bend like a „normal“ cable. It has, as you can see from the pics down below, a somewhat flat design. That’s also because the power cord has its own space and therefore doesn’t interfere with the other cords that deliver the signals (which, I reckon, is one of the main plus points that results in that great sound). What I want to say is, that this cable, when „worn“ with the Bathys and my mobile phone in my left back pocket, kind of folds around my body like a spiral. As said above, it isn’t the most flexible cable out there (to put it mildly), as it wasn’t designed for walking around. But it works for me (I am no jogger). So point 5 (the length of the cable) isn’t really a „bad“ thing. I fact I wouldn’t even urge Wireworld to produce 1.2 meter cables (at least not with that cable layout). But if they would achieve to create a USB-C cable that would be more pliable than the Starlight 8, and also won’t compromise on the sound quality, that of course would be great.
Oh, and here is the link to the Wireworld Website if you want to read more about the cables´ design, conductor material, insulation etc.:
https://wireworldcable.com/products/starlight-8-usb-3-1-audio-cables
I know there are many of you who think a digital signal is a digital signal and why would it sound different on different cables? It´s just 1´s and 0´s that pass that cable, right? Nope, that’s not the case. As I read from another audiophile: USB cables don’t pass 1’s and 0’s, they pass voltage signals which are interpreted as 1’s and 0’s. Voltage below a certain level is interpreted as a 0 and voltage above a certain level is interpreted as a 1. Anything that interferes with the voltage signal can cause the data to be misinterpreted by the DAC …
But I am no engineer or technician. Last time I checked I was just a guy with two ears
So, that’s it. I will continue rediscovering all my beloved albums with the Starlight 8 … and I hope you will, too, with or without that cable (… but at least, please, try my EQ I mentioned above with the USB-C connected to the Bathys, preferably connected to your laptop/computer!! Some of you maybe will „miss“ the bloated bass, haha, but as soon as your ears/brains settle in, I am sure you will appreciate that balanced tuning for long listening sessions.)
And now, finally, let’s move on to some pics:
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Hello ,Bathys new user here, just one question, is normal that firmware upgrade taking hours to be made, i havent made it yet, i wait almost 2 hours and it never ends, that wheel dont stops turning....
roines1987
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Hi, pretty sure my wasn't that slow at all.
Now made it in 1 minute....did not understand....anyway problem solved thanks
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From another site - "People are stuck (out of habit) on thinking about digital protocol transports the way they think of analog audio electrical signals in wire - that somehow less-than-optimal conditions would result in a slight, audible degradation, and the worse the conditions, the more audible and less subtle the degradation.
This is completely, fundamentally wrong, categorically, on all counts, in the same way that saying 4 - 2 = 3.5 is wrong.
If your digital protocol transport has corrupted or dropped packets, you will hear that. You either hear data, or you hear the absence of data which will be a very obvious pop or bit of silence. There is no in-between state. And unless you have very VERY faulty USB hardware, if any number of packets did get corrupted in transit the protocol layer would detect that, they would be resent, and you would never notice. That's why USB has a protocol layer - to handle things like this transparently, for everything, the same way.
Packet transmission protocols (retransmission, checksumming, etc) are a solved problem in computing and have been for decades, and nothing about how audio is handled over those protocols involves unique considerations on that front.
There is exactly one thing you have to worry about with USB - ground loops. There are no other considerations. Everything you're worried about outside of that is something computer engineers and protocol designers have already thought about and solved decades ago.
Anyone arguing otherwise needs to clearly demonstrate how the "slight, but audible differences" they hear between USB cables can be described in terms of the USB packet transport protocol - if they do not, and cannot, they are, pardon my french, absolutely full of crap."
The big one for me is "There is no in-between state."
Just buy one that is reliable everything else is just fantasy - although I have to say that Starlight cable is seriously sexy
And as Soundguys put it "The best cable is whatever works."
https://www.soundguys.com/debunking-myths-about-audio-cables-13093/
This is completely, fundamentally wrong, categorically, on all counts, in the same way that saying 4 - 2 = 3.5 is wrong.
If your digital protocol transport has corrupted or dropped packets, you will hear that. You either hear data, or you hear the absence of data which will be a very obvious pop or bit of silence. There is no in-between state. And unless you have very VERY faulty USB hardware, if any number of packets did get corrupted in transit the protocol layer would detect that, they would be resent, and you would never notice. That's why USB has a protocol layer - to handle things like this transparently, for everything, the same way.
Packet transmission protocols (retransmission, checksumming, etc) are a solved problem in computing and have been for decades, and nothing about how audio is handled over those protocols involves unique considerations on that front.
There is exactly one thing you have to worry about with USB - ground loops. There are no other considerations. Everything you're worried about outside of that is something computer engineers and protocol designers have already thought about and solved decades ago.
Anyone arguing otherwise needs to clearly demonstrate how the "slight, but audible differences" they hear between USB cables can be described in terms of the USB packet transport protocol - if they do not, and cannot, they are, pardon my french, absolutely full of crap."
The big one for me is "There is no in-between state."
Just buy one that is reliable everything else is just fantasy - although I have to say that Starlight cable is seriously sexy
And as Soundguys put it "The best cable is whatever works."
https://www.soundguys.com/debunking-myths-about-audio-cables-13093/
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evhvis
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They are ignoring other things like lack of isolation on the digital and usb section and dealing with noise picked up by the cable, increased noise created by transceivers when dealing with bad definition or too long risetime on the edges in the signal etc. Isolation is expensive and needs space so I doubt there is too much of that in the Bathys. Ideally it would have full galvanic isolation on the USB port, which I doubt it has as that would most likely add 100-200$ to the price when factoring in the margins.From another site - "People are stuck (out of habit) on thinking about digital protocol transports the way they think of analog audio electrical signals in wire - that somehow less-than-optimal conditions would result in a slight, audible degradation, and the worse the conditions, the more audible and less subtle the degradation.
This is completely, fundamentally wrong, categorically, on all counts, in the same way that saying 4 - 2 = 3.5 is wrong.
If your digital protocol transport has corrupted or dropped packets, you will hear that. You either hear data, or you hear the absence of data which will be a very obvious pop or bit of silence. There is no in-between state. And unless you have very VERY faulty USB hardware, if any number of packets did get corrupted in transit the protocol layer would detect that, they would be resent, and you would never notice. That's why USB has a protocol layer - to handle things like this transparently, for everything, the same way.
Packet transmission protocols (retransmission, checksumming, etc) are a solved problem in computing and have been for decades, and nothing about how audio is handled over those protocols involves unique considerations on that front.
There is exactly one thing you have to worry about with USB - ground loops. There are no other considerations. Everything you're worried about outside of that is something computer engineers and protocol designers have already thought about and solved decades ago.
Anyone arguing otherwise needs to clearly demonstrate how the "slight, but audible differences" they hear between USB cables can be described in terms of the USB packet transport protocol - if they do not, and cannot, they are, pardon my french, absolutely full of crap."
The big one for me is "There is no in-between state."
Just buy one that is reliable everything else is just fantasy.- although I have to say that Starlight cable is seriously sexy
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I have a problem with the 3,5 connection. It has serious latency. I tried to connect it to an audio interface to play guitar, but it’s impossible with the amount of latency. That is a real bummer for me, as my old momentum 3 don’t have this amount of latency. Is there any possibility to reduce the latency via 3,5?
I tried it with my clear headphones and there is no audible latency. So the interface is not the problem
I tried it with my clear headphones and there is no audible latency. So the interface is not the problem
Just ignore the 3,5. I don't know why they bothered at all as it sounds worse than any other connection.
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It is there for inflight entertainment etc. where all you have is an analog connection. Not really meant to be used as a primary input.
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No primary solution but a possibility to use it as a recording headphone , if I need a closed back.
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