As far as I know that is against PayPal terms of service.
from: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#accepting-payments
Flux Lab Acoustics FA-10, FA-10 Pro, FA-12, FCN-10 & FA-12s Amplifiers - Summit-Fi for the People?: Reviews, Impressions & Discussion
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While it is against paypal ToS, flux isn't the first company that I've seen do this. AFAIK, plenty of individuals also do this when you look through the sale posts on head-fi. Regardless, 749 is not the price to get an amp to your door for anyone.
That is against head-fi rules/guidelines, and Paypal terms of service. But I guess people don't like to follow rules.
I never thought shipping was free. My point is, sellers are selling used units for new price. If they all are including shipping, I get that's a discount. I've just never seen used items sell for the new price before. Seems strange to me. I suppose the market will be the judge of that.
My real question is if the warranty is transferrable or not? The website lists 2 years but doesn't mention anything about transferring.
Also -- yes indeed strange that Flux would pass on PP fee to customer. I've never seen that from a company. Bit of a dig
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They lack detailed warranty terms. I believe legally they are tying themselves to offer 2 years of unconditional warranty (other than the cable connection order). But they are in Ukraine, so if they reject your warranty I don't think you would have any resources other than public shaming to make them comply.
If it is transferrable, then the used units going for full price w/free shipping make some sense. If not, I'd rather have the warranty. Also, I'd rather give Flux the money if the price is that close, but that's just me.
As long as they don’t make a profit, it should comply with head-fi rules. Buyers will decide if it’s worth it or not.
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Yes and also the wait times is another factor for the prices to be high. In some countries, there may be duties also though in USA there was none to me. Regular shipping is $100 which will take several weeks apart from several weeks of build time. DHL is much more expensive but will come more quickly
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I had bad experience with Kennerton in Russia.
The shipping is high cost from US.
The shipping is high cost from US.
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Yeah that is ridiculous, to charge that much shipping plus charging the buyer a PayPal fee. Its up to the consumer of course, but I personally would never pay that fee to a corporation.
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While I agree on many of the points given here, I'd just like to give my two cents from a point of view from other hobbies.
If there is a product that is low volume but has high demand, used prices sometimes will be the same as new or even higher than new if there is a limit on quantity. One hobby that this principle is extremely apparent is in the mechanical keyboard hobby. While vendors continue to offer multiple rounds of products, buyers are willing to spend 3-4x more than the retail price in order to get one in the aftermarket due to the low volume and high demand.
One thing that someone brought up and I believe has been mentioned many times is that this company is in Ukraine. I don't know how things operate in Ukraine but even Schiit in the US charges shipping on their products. For reference, their cheapest rate to ship a yggdrasil to me is ~$40. $100 from Ukraine does not seem to be a stretch to me. Either they break out the shipping or they just include it in their price. So if you would like to look at it this way, the FA-10 is a $849 product with free shipping.
Paypal fees are something that can definitely rack up when you're dealing with high priced items. If you run a business, transaction fees are just one of those hidden costs that customers do not see. It is possible that since the company is from Ukraine, they don't understand how people in the US normally see prices but I can assure you that transaction costs are baked into any price that you see. I've seen various small businesses break out fees whenever a customer purchases an item. Whether or not you want to purchase the item because of that is up to you.
While I own a FA-10, I have no relation to flux at all. I just wanted to give a different perspective as a small business owner.
If there is a product that is low volume but has high demand, used prices sometimes will be the same as new or even higher than new if there is a limit on quantity. One hobby that this principle is extremely apparent is in the mechanical keyboard hobby. While vendors continue to offer multiple rounds of products, buyers are willing to spend 3-4x more than the retail price in order to get one in the aftermarket due to the low volume and high demand.
One thing that someone brought up and I believe has been mentioned many times is that this company is in Ukraine. I don't know how things operate in Ukraine but even Schiit in the US charges shipping on their products. For reference, their cheapest rate to ship a yggdrasil to me is ~$40. $100 from Ukraine does not seem to be a stretch to me. Either they break out the shipping or they just include it in their price. So if you would like to look at it this way, the FA-10 is a $849 product with free shipping.
Paypal fees are something that can definitely rack up when you're dealing with high priced items. If you run a business, transaction fees are just one of those hidden costs that customers do not see. It is possible that since the company is from Ukraine, they don't understand how people in the US normally see prices but I can assure you that transaction costs are baked into any price that you see. I've seen various small businesses break out fees whenever a customer purchases an item. Whether or not you want to purchase the item because of that is up to you.
While I own a FA-10, I have no relation to flux at all. I just wanted to give a different perspective as a small business owner.
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My stand with Flux, even in some of my messages or reviews i would have mentioned in this thread.. if you like their sound signature/pairing with your rigs then $100-$150 overheads north or south should be okay to most of us i guess 
It is already aggressively priced IMO
It is already aggressively priced IMO
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True
When I ordered my FA-10 back in March, Flux threw in DHL shipping in exchange for waiting. Once it shipped, I had it in 1 week to MD, USA.
In terms of the PayPal fee, it's pretty expensive for businesses to accept PayPal in certain countries (like 4.5+% and that's for a bank funded purchase, even more for a credit card). I sent them 749 USD for my purchase using TransferWise, it only cost $6 vs $38 for PayPal.
Sure, they could raise the price to 799 USD and include the PayPal fees, but at least they are being upfront. It's up to the customer how much they want to pay for PayPal convienince and shipping speed. For some reason, DHL is reasonable out of the UK and stupid expensive out of other countries. $250 is the real cost from Ukraine!
In terms of the PayPal fee, it's pretty expensive for businesses to accept PayPal in certain countries (like 4.5+% and that's for a bank funded purchase, even more for a credit card). I sent them 749 USD for my purchase using TransferWise, it only cost $6 vs $38 for PayPal.
Sure, they could raise the price to 799 USD and include the PayPal fees, but at least they are being upfront. It's up to the customer how much they want to pay for PayPal convienince and shipping speed. For some reason, DHL is reasonable out of the UK and stupid expensive out of other countries. $250 is the real cost from Ukraine!
I don't have the Utopia, sorry. I had a pair of Stellia but sold them within a few days of receiving the Verite C
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