Flare Audio R2PRO Kickstarter campaign

Jul 25, 2015 at 9:05 PM Post #1,591 of 3,099
I've just ordered a pair of the R2As via this site from someone who no longer needs them and they will replace my IE80s. I'm hoping that those who resoundingly said that they are good upgrade from the Senns are correct.

My one issue is the Comply's. My previous experience with them has not been a good one. I bought the Tx500s and found that they muffled the music. Worse still they made the inside of my right ear feel hot and itchy. Swapping to Mobeats foam solved the latter and to a certain extent the former. It wasn't until I used Auvio silicone tips that I got the sound I desired from my IE80s.

I'm hoping that I can get a good seal with something like the Spinfits. If not, I wonder how a set of custom sleeves would work out?

I'll be driving the Flares via a Fiio E7/E9 combo.
 
Jul 25, 2015 at 9:36 PM Post #1,593 of 3,099
  Using silicon tips instead of Complys comes with the same caveats and/or benefits as pretty much every earphone ever.


Yup, different for every person. For example, @TwinACStacks found the right fit and balance using the Complys. Complys and my ears don't play to well, I just don't like the feel of them, but I've found a good fit for my ears with VSonic's GR06 silicon tips. Everyone will have something a little different that works out for their ears.
 
Jul 26, 2015 at 5:33 AM Post #1,594 of 3,099
I know what you mean but I've always done this with other iems and used foam tips - only way to get that seal and comfort. Only thing with the Flares is that they respond more to being pushed in deep to the ear and only way to get them to stay there is with extra squeezing and extra holding in place, more so than normal. Still, that's only to get the best fit and only can't do that with others because other iems are too big.

If it becomes a chore, simply pretend that they won't go so deep and treat them like other iems. You could say the Flares are a victim of being so small because the size means you CAN get a better sound where the iem disappears (the same way a good hifi speaker disappears into the sound) whereas others don't give you that extra option....


My only issue is the shrill highs with silicone tips.
The Complys completely removed all traces of shrill and made everything sound so pleasantly natural.
 
Jul 26, 2015 at 10:02 AM Post #1,595 of 3,099
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Eartip rolling is a weird science any way you go about it. Sometimes a Large Nozzle size on an earphone sounds perfect with a tip with a very Wide Bore (Center hole), the next earphone you get with a Large nozzle sounds like crap with the Same size tip, and sounds best with a Small Bore tip.
 
There is no hard-fast rule. You just have to keep trying tips until you find one that works. It only takes a few earphones to amass a huge collection of various kinds of tips. You should see how many tips I ordered trying to get the Best sound out of a pair of Senn IE8's...
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over a 6 month period.
 
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TWIN
 
Jul 26, 2015 at 11:16 AM Post #1,596 of 3,099
My only issue is the shrill highs with silicone tips.
The Complys completely removed all traces of shrill and made everything sound so pleasantly natural.


I'm using wide bore dual flange silicone tips (I believe they are from the RE-400) and the treble sounds laid back and relaxed to me.  Maybe you're sensitive to certain treble frequencies?  Is this an issue for you with other IEMS? 
 
Jul 26, 2015 at 11:23 AM Post #1,597 of 3,099
 
I'm using wide bore dual flange silicone tips (I believe they are from the RE-400) and the treble sounds laid back and relaxed to me.  Maybe you're sensitive to certain treble frequencies?  Is this an issue for you with other IEMS? 

No, I actually love my highs.
 
So wide bore = less highs?
I thought it was the other way around?
I might have gotten it wrong I'm not sure.
 
Jul 26, 2015 at 12:41 PM Post #1,598 of 3,099
I'm still in the opinion that having the tips' outer flange seal your outer canals completely is more important than having deep fit for this IEM.
 
By the way, been enjoying using them for playing video games. I'm playing an RPG so positional cues aren't really important, but I can tell that they're spot on and character voices are just right, not too shouty or far away.
 
Jul 26, 2015 at 12:50 PM Post #1,599 of 3,099
  No, I actually love my highs.
 
So wide bore = less highs?
I thought it was the other way around?
I might have gotten it wrong I'm not sure.


I went with wide bores because the original Complys were wide.  I did try a few narrower bore tips but I think they negatively impacted the sound stage.  At no point did I find the R2A's treble to be forward or spiky.
 
Jul 26, 2015 at 8:04 PM Post #1,600 of 3,099
Currently I am using bi-flange to see if it is better than standard tips - did try both narrow and wide bore, and narrow bore one did tame the highs a bit, ymmv.
 
Going to buy shure olives to try out soon.
 
Jul 27, 2015 at 11:29 PM Post #1,601 of 3,099
My R2As should be arriving within a week or two. I'll order some Spinfits as back up tips to the Complys and have a bit of a play around to see what I can achieve.
 
I resurrected my IE80s after I thought they had died. Very weak sound in my right earpiece was solved by soaking the grille in food grade H2O2. The gunk that came out of it was unbelievable - no wonder I couldn't hear much from it. I did the other earpiece as well but there was not much in there. I then put on some JVC silicone tips that I had lying around and thought that the bass was a bit anaemic. When I changed to the Auvio tips it was all back in all it's thundering glory as well as that wonderfully wide soundstage. The two tips look very similar but the difference in sound......
 
I'm looking forward to doing a one on one comparison between the two iems after I've got a good sound on the R2As from the right set of tips.
 
Jul 28, 2015 at 3:42 PM Post #1,602 of 3,099
I just got a used set of Flare R2Pros and I think they’re pretty great. I’m amazed by their small size. I’m using the stock complys. 
 
Soundstage is pretty interesting as it’s a bit more in front of the head than inside the head. Just a bit. it’s not particularly wide but imaging is excellent. My first impression is that their tone is very natural and realistic. bass is present but only very slightly boosted (I prefer that for my IEMs to make up for loss of body impact). it’s quick and clean and tight.
 
Mids are very natural and clear. I think there might be a little bit of upper mids recession to prevent some shoutiness but I don’t think it’s very much. Overall, all my key songs to test male and female vocals and stringed instruments sound excellent. very rich and present. No mid bass bleed or bloat. 
 
Treble is very smooth with no harshness. Some tracks I have that are mastered a bit hot and are compressed don’t sound painful or shrill - they sound closer to my speakers. but I don’t get the sense that the treble is too heavily subdued. there is a nice sparkle when called for.
 
As a first impression, I’m very happy. The sound is clean, clear, excellently balanced. Lots of detail and speed: instruments have a good sense of space and complex passages don’t sound compressed or fuzzy. I’m a bigger “tone" guy than “details” guy so keep that in mind with my impressions. It’s possible other IEMs in this price range can extract more detail but I doubt I’d be able to tell.
 
Jul 28, 2015 at 7:35 PM Post #1,603 of 3,099
Bravo! I am buying thanks to your report. It appears at this time only the R2A is available. I think I'd like to wait for the R2Pro to become available for sale. Any news as to when? Thanks again. 
 
Jul 28, 2015 at 7:37 PM Post #1,604 of 3,099
 As threatened, err I mean promised, I visited Flare Audio this morning.

I wore clean underpants in case I was struck by a bus (see "Good Upbringing Finally Pays Off For Local Fat Man" - The Argus), and I trimmed my ear hairs this morning, inside and out (noisy but fun).

I had with me my Samsung Galaxy Note II, Shure SE215, Samsung HS330 dual driver headset, Xiaomi Piston 3, various tips, and my FiiO E7. Being a true genius I forgot to take the USB OTG mini to micro cable that lets me actually use the FiiO as a DAC/Amp with the Galaxy Note. Doh. It doesn't matter too much as the difference is more about sound levels than audio quality (you won't find much wrong with the audio out on the Note 2 except that, in typical smartphone fashion, it is a little quiet when compared to dedicated players).

My audio files were all lossless: flac from CD rips. No mp3s, no 24/96 or 24/192 or mangled downmixed multi-channel. I listened to a few tracks from albums of viol consorts, orchestral music, old skool rock, some modern(ish) dance music, contemporary African guitar, specifically:

Rose Consort of Viols - Elizabethan Songs and Consort Music
Thomas Tomkins - Consort Music for Viols and Voices, Keyboard Music - Rose Consort of Viols & Red Byrd
William Byrd - The Early Byrd - I Fagiolini & Fretwork & Sophie Yates
Alleluia - Motets by Vivaldi, Handel, Porpora and Mozart - Julia Lezhneva, Il Giardino Armonico & Giovanni Antonini
Frank Bridge - Orchestral Works Vol. 4 - BBC National Orchestra of Wales & Richard Hickox
Sibelius - The Lemminkäinen Suite - The Gothenburg Symphony Orchestra & Neeme Järvi
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Ragged Glory
X-Press 2 (feat. David Byrne) - Lazy
Djelimady Tounkara - Solon Kôno

I spent a loooong time listening to the R2A and the R2Pro. It's easy, and reasons to stop don't seem to enter the mind.

I chose to listen to the R2A because that is the model I initially pledged for, and the R2Pro as it's the top of the range IEM and I was curious as to whether the same driver in a housing of the same dimensions but of different material (aluminium vs titanium) would really sound different.

First Point:

For those wondering whether to purchase the Shure SE215 or commit to the kickstarter price for the similarly priced Flare Audio R2A:

G E T T H E F L A R E S ! ! ! ! ! 
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Second Point:

For those worried about only getting one pair of Comply tips with the non Pro designated models: if this is what stops you getting the Flares at the kickstarter price you will be annoyed with yourself for a long time. OK, if you never listen to these IEMs you might not feel too bad and you can remain undisturbed in your opinion, but if you do later hear them then be prepared to feel baaad 
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 And foolish. And more bad. And badder, if that is a word. It is now (apologies to all who invested time and money in my education).


OK, OK but What are they like?

Physically they are tiny. They are easy to wear, comfortable and unobtrusive. There will be no difficulty wearing these cable down, cable up, cable front or back. You will be able to sleep with them in or don a helmet with no snagging and wear it with no discomfort. I wore them with cable up and over but then down to the front. There was zero cable induction noise AKA microphonics. Isolation when using the Comply tips is excellent. It's still good with silicone tips but as ever nothing beats expanding foam in your lugholes.

There is one sound property that I believe to be identical in each: the sound stage is utterly natural and believable to the point that you don't think about the soundstage because you are immersed in the music. When I switched to my Shures I was immediately aware of experiencing a "left speaker, right speaker and a bit in the middle" sound stage. Switching back to the Flares cured that rather nicely!

These things sound gorgeous. These are not made for the salesman who feels he/she has to wow you in 5 minutes in the store, so there is not some silly exaggerated bass so no need for overdone highs trying to make up for the mids being swamped by the bass. But there is also absolutely no danger of confusing the Flare Audio R2* with some joyless single balanced armature IEM that sucks the pleasure out of your music leaving you with a pale facsimile or some kind of dry analytical let down.

These offer a really natural, enjoyable sound combined with a totally credible experience. I hesitate to say sound stage because while listening you are not searching for artifical terms in an attempt to describe the deficiencies of an artificial experience....it sounds real!

There is a difference in the sound between the aluminium R2A and the titanium R2Pro. Davis did explain to me the reasons for this being to do with certain properties of titanium but unfortunately my Physics 'O' level B grade certificate was achieved well over 30 years ago and when people explain stuff like this my brain gets stuck at "this is actually a thing and those are indeed English words but what they all mean I will never know...must nod and agree...phew it worked". I do remember from my youth that titanium is great for bicycle frames - almost as light as aluminium but with the comfort of steel. I had my Columbus Genius steel road frame painted titanium. It looked great and I was a lot thinner in those days so it was fast too. I digress.

Initially I wondered if this perceived difference was a bias/expectation thing so I spent a lot of time comparing the R2A and R2Pro. I even double checked with Tom (Flare's IEM guy) that this definitely is the same driver. He assured me that it is. The R2A has a slightly warmer or thicker bass while the R2Pro seems to be more able to render texture and timbre. These are not huge differences but they are real and apparent. I spent maybe an hour and a half sitting still and being good while I listened (my Mum would be surprised and impressed). Obviously Davis has vastly more hours with these IEMs and knows them better than anyone and he finds some differences in the top end as well.

Value For Money

Are the R2A worth the kickstarter price? Yes, and by a country mile. They make my similarly priced Shure SE215 feel clunky, thumpy, artificial and decidedly second best. My Samsung dual driver IEMs (world's most underrated IEM!) are better than the Shures despite costing much less; tonality is closer to the natural sound of the Flares than is the Shures. But they certainly have some mid bass resonances, and they don't approach the natural sound stage of the Flares. £79 for the Flares vs £10 for the Samsungs? For pure listening pleasure the Flares still offer value. In a few months there should be Apple and Samsung compatible versions of the Flares at which point you can also answer your phone....

Are the R2Pro worth a substantial premium over the R2A? I think this is harder to quantify because it's quite a price jump and that difference is going to feel insignificant to some people but as wide as the Atlantic to others. I committed to the R2A on kickstarter and I have some serious thinking to do now because I really, really want (omg I am a spice girl - beery spice?) the R2Pro but I can't remember where I left the key to the subterranean nuke proof shelter where I keep my Visa card.....

If you can afford the Pros just go for it. If you can only run to the A's kickstarter price then don't worry, you will be getting something genuinely brilliant, well made and enjoyable.

Final Note

A really big "Thank You!" to Davis and Naomi and Tom and everyone else at Flare Audio.
Edited by julian67 - 5/28/15 at 11:55am

Bravo! I am buying thanks to your report. It appears at this time only the R2A is available. I think I'd like to wait for the R2Pro to become available for sale. Any news as to when? Thanks again. 
 

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