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Sure they did. I just posted the comments where just about everyone said it was forward, including you.
Many people said in so many words that it's thick, like when one person said, "more body / fuller sound to the music." That's thick, not thin.
Many people have said in so many words that it's powerful, like in talking about "overdriving" the inputs, scaling back the volume, etc. Together with it's forwardness, that's aggressive. It's not polite. The opposite of polite is aggression.
Some people even said it had grainy and distorted highs and midrange. Someone else said the highs were rolled off. For all we know, that's what turned someone who is into classical off to the DAC. As it should!
So please just lay off. Nothing that I have said about the DAC is inaccurate. It's not bright, it's not thin, it's not recessed, and it's not polite. It's RELATIVELY warm, thick, forward, and aggressive. Again, relative to neutral.
Anyone who was serious about classical music -- which most people strongly prefer very neutral gear for -- in my opinion would not be happy with this DAC, RELATIVE to others that are better suited for classical. No way would I recommend this DAC to someone who wanted a DAC for classical. This DAC has other strengths, like being a kick-ass rock DAC. If you would recommend it for classical, or say it's not forward, warm, etc. that's your credibility on the line, not mine.
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There is nothing to "lay off" because
we simply need to reconcile our differences in terminology or this will happen again either in this thread of another, and someone else may over-react to strong comments that they read.
It's their fault if they over react (suno) not yours, but we could help to minimize those problems before they happen. There is a real problem with yours, mine, or other members terminology not being anything alike. You said "
very" forward, we we say it is just forward. That's what people were contesting, the "very", not the "forward" part. There's a graduated scale there - e.g. sucked out, very recessed, recessed, not recessed or forward, slightly forward, forward, fairly forward, very forward, and OMG get out of my face forward. I do see you've dropped it back to just "forward" and I would agree with that.
It also seems that
you are re-defining someone else's statement of the uDAC having "more body / fuller sound to the music" as being "thick". If that is the case, then EVERY high-end full size amp I have is "thick", actually 80% of my amps are thick (no, I don't believe that). My goal is to have my system sound fuller with more body. Maybe the poster will chime in with what he meant by his "body/fuller" statement, because I simply don't interpret that statement the same way you do. It seems
we can all agree that uDAC "has more body and fuller sound to the music", but we don't all call that "thick". Just because it is not "thin" sounding doesn't mean it's 180 degrees opposite to call it thick.
So, there is a problem with our terminology not meshing, and your definitions are too black and white for my tastes. If I said, she's not bad looking I'd be afraid you would say, "well, since she isn't gorgeous she must be homely." If I said it also sounds "rich", does that add to your argument that it is thick? I don't think so, but I'd be afraid to say that in case it does. Does my saying it can sound "vibrant" take away from the thickness, because then I can say "rich and vibrant" so that doesn't move it one way or the other? Or will you add my vibrant comment to support your argument that it is aggressive? I simply don't know, based on the arguments you've presented.
A 2V DAC output level that can overdrive a few (not all) amps if it's not attenuated is what I would call "loud", not aggressive. If it's too loud and you can turn it down, the "nature" of the sound doesn't change it's essence. If it's too aggressive how do you turn that down with the volume knob? I don't know, but apparently it can be here because turning down the volume pot reduces the output and stops overdriving the amps. And if the overdrive is gone, then is the aggression gone? If not, then that's not a good example of aggression. I do think you're previous definition of it being aggressive if it is punchy and forward would fit better. And Just because it's not polite doesn't mean it needs to be the 180 degree opposite of polite as you say. I and a few others would say it is something in between polite and aggressive. I don't know what I would name that, and I would rather describe what I hear and hope that people don't name it wrong.
Again, I don't argue where you may have found posts by some people who posted they thought it was grainy, or rolled off in the highs, because with their gear it might be. With certain IEM with certain tips it is rolled off in the highs, but I change the tips to a single flange silicone tip and they come back. With another IEM the uDAC can sound grainy, but I change the IEM tips and that is fixed. So, is it or is it not rolled off in the highs or grainy? It's both, depending on the gear, and relative to what you use as a baseline or comparison. With your gear it might be VERY forward and THICK. But you are confusing me with your redefining the use of THICK, or saying that you only called it forward when you went further than that by adding the "very".
Important - I do believe that it sounds to you the way you describe it with your gear. And, many of your descriptions of the sound are spot on with what I hear, but then you define (or name) those descriptions using words that don't fit with your descriptions. Nobody is impugning your descriptions or findings when you actually describe what you mean and leave the terminology out.
