Fiio,
Looks nice. Can you tell me if the mmcx connector can handle recessed earphones like the Sennheiser ie300?
Looks nice. Can you tell me if the mmcx connector can handle recessed earphones like the Sennheiser ie300?
[FiiO UTWS5] True Wireless Bluetooth Earhooks as Usual,Coupled with Independent AK4332 DAC
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Cherios
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Check out addicted to audio local to aus and nz they normally have a huge variety of Fiio products, and the latest ones too relatively quickI was contemplating doing that but the forwarding services ive looked at straight up wont ship anything with a battery to Australia
Can Bluetooth really support 24/96? News to me, can somebody fill me in?
I'm assuming pairing the UTWS5 with my FiiO M11 will allow me to use the full capabilities of the earhooks
Also wondering how these handle heavy IEMs. My ThieAudio Clairvoyance are massive
If all of the above is true, I'll definitely be buying
I'm assuming pairing the UTWS5 with my FiiO M11 will allow me to use the full capabilities of the earhooks
Also wondering how these handle heavy IEMs. My ThieAudio Clairvoyance are massive
If all of the above is true, I'll definitely be buying
With the correct Qualcomm hardware in the device, it is claimed that it can support it. Some newer Android phones support it. I'm guessing as time goes on most new phones and DAPs will support it but I doubt the M11 will. Some of my friends loved the previous version of this so if the UTWS5 is an improvement then it should be good.
Supported devices.
I am just venturing a guess here, but normal aptX Adaptive is supposed to be able to support up to only 24/48. But recent announcement by Qualcomm regarding aptX Lossless is that it is (1) capable of 24/96 (and it is said to be fully transparent for 16/48) and (2) based on aptX Adaptive codec. In fact Qualcomm already released the new SDK last month to manufacturer and developer, and I think this might have something to do with how FiiO is able to implement 24/96 on UTWS5.
Yes, it will be available in India as well when the UTWS5 is avialable in oversea market.
Best regards
@FiiO I have 2 questions:
- How works with iPhone, which has only AAC support? Is it worth to upgrade my UTWS1 (sound is not good enough with iPhone, so I'm using my FH7 with cable with my Q5S instead of UTWS1,
- When will available in Europe?
- How works with iPhone, which has only AAC support? Is it worth to upgrade my UTWS1 (sound is not good enough with iPhone
, so I'm using my FH7 with cable with my Q5S instead of UTWS1,- When will available in Europe?
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The UTWS3 2pin version has issues with iems with recessed 2pin connectors. Is this rectified in UTWS5?
Barusu Lamperouge
Headphoneus Supremus
Hallelujah! Finally a utws product in India! Looking forward to it. Thanks much.
Introduction to FiiO's Product Line and Update Plan in 2021--From James
(https://www.head-fi.org/threads/int...ne-and-update-plan-in-2021-from-james.959256/)
Chapter 11 UTWS3/5 -TWS Solution with the Best Sound Quality.
There is one rule remaining unchanged for the many years I spent in the audio industry. That is, what drives the development of the product is not the performance, but the user experience. From reel to reel tape recorders, turntables, tape cassette players to CD players, MP3 players and TWS earphones, there is no denying that the sound quality has been improved constantly, but the main change of these products was providing a more comfortable and convenient experience.
When most people tend to listen to music via mobile phones and TWS earphones, the HiFi earphone market was sharply hit, especially for the famous brands such as BOSE, Sennheiser, Beats, and Audio-Technica. From the sales rankings of audio products in some promotion activities in 2020 and 2021 in China, we can see the top brands have become Apple, Huawei, Xiaomi, EDIFIER and other brands that mainly sell TWS earphones.
Therefore, these HiFi earphone brands shall either sit idle, or follow the market trend and meet user needs in order to survive in this giant-dominated TWS market.
The UTWS series was our attempt to adapt to the market. Here is a brief introduction to what determines the sound quality of TWS earphones.
1. Bluetooth codecs
You may be familiar with this point. At present, TWS earphones mainly support Bluetooth codecs including SBC, AAC, aptX, aptX HD, LDAC and LHDC. It is widely considered that aptX HD/LDAC/LHDC have better sound quality. However, limited by the bandwidth of Bluetooth transmission and signal power, the experience of these codecs at high bit rates has yet to be improved. Therefore, the more mature codecs should be aptX and AAC.
2. Digital-Analog conversion and analog amplification
At present, since TWS earphones are restricted by power consumption and size, we usually adopt a single chip, where D/A conversion, analog amplification, Bluetooth reception and decoding are all integrated into one piece.
3. Acoustic design- earphone cavity/unit
At present, TWS earphones have a relatively small size. Even if we use a good earphone driver or even multiple drivers, it would still get much worse performance than that of traditional wired earphones because of their tiny bodies.
The UTWS3 with such a TWS design happened to be the best solution that can solve the above No.2 and No.3 limitations that most TWS earphones have.
In fact, the UTWS3 is meant to separate the circuit part of the TWS earphones and put it inside the earphone unit while adding an independent amp chip. This helped to effectively improve driven capacity, SNR and distortion that have a great impact on sound quality. Users can freely use the UTWS3 with their favorite MMCX or 2-pin earphones, which is totally different from those typical wired earphones in terms of the acoustic part.
Thanks to its feature of retaining the convenience of TWS earphones while having great sound quality similar to traditional wired HiFi earphones, the UTWS3 is warmly adored and praised by consumers once launched.
Of course, both the TWS sound quality and ear hooks are improving as technology develops. In order to further enhance the sound quality, we will introduce the UTWS5 around October, a more powerful TWS ear hook model with better audio performance and more capable Bluetooth functions, which features an independent DAC chip and shares basically the same look and structure as the UTWS3.
Appropriate Usage Scenarios
The usage scenarios of the UTWS3/5 are mainly outdoor scenes. They are suitable for traditional HiFi earphone enthusiasts who want to enhance the experience of their existing wired earphones. In addition, you can turn your idle interchangeable cable earphones into more convenient HiFi TWS earphones.
(https://www.head-fi.org/threads/int...ne-and-update-plan-in-2021-from-james.959256/)
Chapter 11 UTWS3/5 -TWS Solution with the Best Sound Quality.
There is one rule remaining unchanged for the many years I spent in the audio industry. That is, what drives the development of the product is not the performance, but the user experience. From reel to reel tape recorders, turntables, tape cassette players to CD players, MP3 players and TWS earphones, there is no denying that the sound quality has been improved constantly, but the main change of these products was providing a more comfortable and convenient experience.
When most people tend to listen to music via mobile phones and TWS earphones, the HiFi earphone market was sharply hit, especially for the famous brands such as BOSE, Sennheiser, Beats, and Audio-Technica. From the sales rankings of audio products in some promotion activities in 2020 and 2021 in China, we can see the top brands have become Apple, Huawei, Xiaomi, EDIFIER and other brands that mainly sell TWS earphones.
Therefore, these HiFi earphone brands shall either sit idle, or follow the market trend and meet user needs in order to survive in this giant-dominated TWS market.
The UTWS series was our attempt to adapt to the market. Here is a brief introduction to what determines the sound quality of TWS earphones.
1. Bluetooth codecs
You may be familiar with this point. At present, TWS earphones mainly support Bluetooth codecs including SBC, AAC, aptX, aptX HD, LDAC and LHDC. It is widely considered that aptX HD/LDAC/LHDC have better sound quality. However, limited by the bandwidth of Bluetooth transmission and signal power, the experience of these codecs at high bit rates has yet to be improved. Therefore, the more mature codecs should be aptX and AAC.
2. Digital-Analog conversion and analog amplification
At present, since TWS earphones are restricted by power consumption and size, we usually adopt a single chip, where D/A conversion, analog amplification, Bluetooth reception and decoding are all integrated into one piece.
3. Acoustic design- earphone cavity/unit
At present, TWS earphones have a relatively small size. Even if we use a good earphone driver or even multiple drivers, it would still get much worse performance than that of traditional wired earphones because of their tiny bodies.
The UTWS3 with such a TWS design happened to be the best solution that can solve the above No.2 and No.3 limitations that most TWS earphones have.
In fact, the UTWS3 is meant to separate the circuit part of the TWS earphones and put it inside the earphone unit while adding an independent amp chip. This helped to effectively improve driven capacity, SNR and distortion that have a great impact on sound quality. Users can freely use the UTWS3 with their favorite MMCX or 2-pin earphones, which is totally different from those typical wired earphones in terms of the acoustic part.
Thanks to its feature of retaining the convenience of TWS earphones while having great sound quality similar to traditional wired HiFi earphones, the UTWS3 is warmly adored and praised by consumers once launched.
Of course, both the TWS sound quality and ear hooks are improving as technology develops. In order to further enhance the sound quality, we will introduce the UTWS5 around October, a more powerful TWS ear hook model with better audio performance and more capable Bluetooth functions, which features an independent DAC chip and shares basically the same look and structure as the UTWS3.
Appropriate Usage Scenarios
The usage scenarios of the UTWS3/5 are mainly outdoor scenes. They are suitable for traditional HiFi earphone enthusiasts who want to enhance the experience of their existing wired earphones. In addition, you can turn your idle interchangeable cable earphones into more convenient HiFi TWS earphones.
1. Though the UTWS5 will connect to the iPhone via AAC as well, it have better Bluetooth chip QCC5141 and independent DAC AK4332. Besides, the output power of UTWS5 is much higher than UTWS1. So when connecting to iPhone, the UTWS5 will have better sound quality theoretically.@FiiO I have 2 questions:
- How works with iPhone, which has only AAC support? Is it worth to upgrade my UTWS1 (sound is not good enough with iPhone
- When will available in Europe?
And due to individual preferences, you could read the professional reviews and comparisons, as well as try out by yourself.
2. If everything goes well, the UTWS5 will be available in oversea market at about November.
Best regards
The UTWS5 2pin version is using the same structure like the UTWS3. So the recessed 2pin headphones may not be compatible with UTWS5 as well. Some users use a MMCX to 2pin converter for help.
Best regards
GiullianSN
Headphoneus Supremus
I didn't realize that...that just threw all my UTWS5 usage plans on the bin as I planed to use it with my Customs.
Looks like I will need to buy another IEM.
Thanks. I prefer your personal opinion if you tried it
Theoretically, I agree, UTWS5 should be much better, but I'm curious about real-life experience Users who are viewing this thread
