FiiO K7/K7BT Desktop DAC&Headphone AMP Discussion | XLR Balance | Dual THX AAA | Xmos | ...
Mar 13, 2020 at 6:58 AM Post #91 of 1,433
I really despise your software, but your hardware could not be better. I like what I see, I will probably buy it, if it is as good in output as my modi-magni stack.
Hi, what software problems do you encounter when using FiiO products? We are always working to improve our software to make it more convenient and stable for users, could you share your advices with us so that we can improve it better.
 
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Mar 13, 2020 at 7:19 AM Post #92 of 1,433
@Kean FiiO what about the possibility for a modular design where we have the option to exclude the dac. I personally like the proposed amp's connectivity, xlr, fully balanced design etc. An option without dac will reduce cost, improve profit margins/unit for Fiio and give us the option.
Thanks for your advice.
In our plan, we will consider making a pure amp without DAC, even a simple DAC with Line OUT.
But these are obviously narrower or high level market. Need to collect more user needs before we start it.
 
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Mar 13, 2020 at 7:48 AM Post #93 of 1,433
Thanks for your advice.
In our plan, we will consider making a pure amp without DAC, even a simple DAC with Line OUT.
But these are obviously narrower or high level market. Need to collect more user needs before we start it.
Thanks for your feedback. Well, Schiit has been doing that for some time now. If i have the option to get the proposed K7 without the DAC with all the in/outs RCA XLR then count me in.
 
Mar 13, 2020 at 8:41 AM Post #94 of 1,433
For 1): APP control is also very convenient. Because we plan to automatically connect to the APP after the K7 is turned on.
Of course, switching is more efficient. As you know, do users often switch between line out and pre-out?

BTW,k7 will have a fully balanced audio circuit, including volume adjustment section

Thank you for your response.

I personally switch between pre and line on my DAC/AMP out to change bewteen using active speakers and a 2nd headphone amp such as tubes or for my partner and I to listen to headphones together.

A remote control would also be appreciated.
 
Mar 13, 2020 at 9:58 AM Post #96 of 1,433
Just curous is there a reason why there cant be a dac and have rca in out that bypasses the internal dac.
Hey, good point but I just don't want to pay for something I will never use. So if The K7 will come as a bundle DAC+AMP then I will pass. I am in favour of separate dacs considering that the amplification part will not evolve at the same pace with the dac.
 
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Mar 13, 2020 at 11:43 AM Post #97 of 1,433
Hey, good point but I just don't want to pay for something I will never use. So if The K7 will come as a bundle DAC+AMP then I will pass. I am in favour of separate dacs considering that the amplification part will not evolve at the same pace with the dac.
Yes, adding DAC functionality will increase the cost of K7. This is really a waste for customers who have one of them.
However, if the DAC and AMP are separated, the cost will increase even more. Because we need 2 sets of power supply, 2 sets of metal shell, 2 sets of processors and so on. Customers need to pay more to get this combination if they want both:dt880smile:

Well, let's go back to the original intention of the K7 project. We actually want to design a DAC&AMP product with stronger THX AAA power amplifier. In other words, the DAC part may not be so strong,but it will not be too weak. With DAC inside, some users can use it more conveniently.
This is why we discuss the meaning of XLR balanced line output, and why we discuss which DAC will be suit. Such as ES9028pro, ES9068, AK4493×2,AK4497, or Cirrus logic CS43198×2
 
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Mar 13, 2020 at 3:01 PM Post #99 of 1,433
Yes, adding DAC functionality will increase the cost of K7. This is really a waste for customers who have one of them.
However, if the DAC and AMP are separated, the cost will increase even more. Because we need 2 sets of power supply, 2 sets of metal shell, 2 sets of processors and so on. Customers need to pay more to get this combination if they want both:dt880smile:

Well, let's go back to the original intention of the K7 project. We actually want to design a DAC&AMP product with stronger THX AAA power amplifier. In other words, the DAC part may not be so strong,but it will not be too weak. With DAC inside, some users can use it more conveniently.
This is why we discuss the meaning of XLR balanced line output, and why we discuss which DAC will be suit. Such as ES9028pro, ES9068, AK4493×2,AK4497, or Cirrus logic CS43198×2
Fair enough and thank you for your feedback. In that case will all be down to the price if you can beat the THX AAA 789 :) good luck guys and will wait to see the final product.
 
Mar 14, 2020 at 5:05 PM Post #100 of 1,433
Yes, adding DAC functionality will increase the cost of K7. This is really a waste for customers who have one of them.
However, if the DAC and AMP are separated, the cost will increase even more. Because we need 2 sets of power supply, 2 sets of metal shell, 2 sets of processors and so on. Customers need to pay more to get this combination if they want both:dt880smile:

Well, let's go back to the original intention of the K7 project. We actually want to design a DAC&AMP product with stronger THX AAA power amplifier. In other words, the DAC part may not be so strong,but it will not be too weak. With DAC inside, some users can use it more conveniently.
This is why we discuss the meaning of XLR balanced line output, and why we discuss which DAC will be suit. Such as ES9028pro, ES9068, AK4493×2,AK4497, or Cirrus logic CS43198×2
I love the sound of the ak 4493 whit my am3d. And i would love to see the 4497 in the k7
 
Mar 15, 2020 at 6:06 PM Post #102 of 1,433
Hi, what software problems do you encounter when using FiiO products? We are always working to improve our software to make it more convenient and stable for users, could you share your advices with us so that we can improve it better.

Hi, I used to use a X5iii, it was not a cheap DAP and I tried it for a while... a lot, including custom FWs and Kernels to try to make it useful... it did not work, buggy as hell and at the end I realized that I paid for a device to be a beta tester. Instead of FIIO addressing the issues on the device in an effective way, I saw a lot of new devices being released, how would you feel about that? I moved on to an iBasso DX150, not the fastest device out there, but it has been always reliable, not a single issue (except it is slow). Maybe you are going to ask me now, what exactly was wrong with the X5iii... I have listed that before already and with all due respect, I am not going do it again.

I think your hardware is unbeatable (IEMs, Amps, faceless DACs, etc), but I will avoid anything from you if there is software involved.
 
Mar 15, 2020 at 9:28 PM Post #103 of 1,433
Just add MQA support and i'll buy couple for home and office :)
Plus 1. With a decent DAC that supports MQA it should be a winner for the Tidal subscribers.
 
Mar 16, 2020 at 2:15 AM Post #104 of 1,433
Plus 1. With a decent DAC that supports MQA it should be a winner for the Tidal subscribers.
I would say no to that. Why pay for a format that price gouges for minimal if any improvement and locks you into very specific hardware that will pass the licencing fees on to the end user.

If anything Fiio should put up a survey and see if people are willing to drop more money for MQA.
 
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Mar 16, 2020 at 5:10 AM Post #105 of 1,433
Hi, I used to use a X5iii, it was not a cheap DAP and I tried it for a while... a lot, including custom FWs and Kernels to try to make it useful... it did not work, buggy as hell and at the end I realized that I paid for a device to be a beta tester. Instead of FIIO addressing the issues on the device in an effective way, I saw a lot of new devices being released, how would you feel about that? I moved on to an iBasso DX150, not the fastest device out there, but it has been always reliable, not a single issue (except it is slow). Maybe you are going to ask me now, what exactly was wrong with the X5iii... I have listed that before already and with all due respect, I am not going do it again.

I think your hardware is unbeatable (IEMs, Amps, faceless DACs, etc), but I will avoid anything from you if there is software involved.

I don't doubt your experience but it doesn't match mine. I ran an X5iii for a year or two and never had any issues with it, hardware or software. Wife is still running hers, same story. Maybe you were trying a lot of internet dependent things and that's why our experiences differ so greatly (I'm local files all the way). I see this kind of discrepancy with some people's issues with Fiio and also HiFiman (had a few cans from them, never had a QC problem) and it makes me wonder if somehow the Chinese market is getting different gear? I don't really think that's the case but find it hard to explain the gulf in reactions any other way.
 

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