Feliks-Audio ELISE...New thread.

[Lord Raven]

Oh yes that is possible too. My 1st pair of ECC31 came and I look at it and knew it's not up to scratch so I contacted the seller and said I think the tubes are not in the condition I expected and wish to return. To my surprise he said ok no problem. Refunded my money even before I post the tubes back to him. That's trust !!!

You have to pay return shipping though as JV says. But I suggest you try it first. :bigsmile_face:  

Raven, try contacting the seller and said you make a mistake see what he says before he sends it out.

As I just stated, I'll not be able to test them if I sell my phones today :/

 

[JazzVinyl]

Thanks JV, that's my only bet. I'll experience GEC for a while and probably return them. Just mentioning them here if anyone else wants to grab them as I'm in a tough condition to pay for them. Besides, I'm selling my headphones, they'll probably go today as a buyer contacted me. I'll have nothing to hear, no phones. My 3 x ECC31, 1 x 5998 are in transit, also the ECC31 adapters. Everything might arrive end of November. I'm not going to be able to listen to GEC at all.

I think you will have to purchase them. There is no way to transfer the 'win' to another Ebay'er, LR.

We had talked about these when they were for auction and was surprised the bid did not go higher, since they have been seen to go for almost $500.00 a pair. Then someone said this pair measured somewhat low.

Does anyone know what a strong pair should have measured?

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[UntilThen]

As I just stated, I'll not be able to test them if I sell my phones today :/

Come here Raven. Help me with my testing and bring those holy grail. 
 
There's nothing wrong with these ECC31. Why did I score them so low?

 

[Lord Raven]

Got my Elise for two full listening sessions...
The Elise is a wonderful amp, I did choose Visseaux 6N7GT and GE 6AS7GA for the burning sessions. I changed the 6H13C which was a bit muddy and not precise enough (probably because out of the box).  
When I will have the feeling that the sound is a bit stabilized I will try other combination.. as I do not have my tube collection at my place this is easier
I like a lot what I listen for now specially with small ensemble and voices. Organ rendering is also very good but from one session to another, more and more details are added and the tonality balance seems to be "real".

I did listen Randy Newman, Georges Brassens and Jacques Brel  as an appetizer for today upcoming session. All sound great and listening with the T1 is a perfect match !

The Elise is really helping you to find detail into recording and feel the music like if it was a private concert...

I did listen yesterday some choir music and you can distinguish every singer and rebuild mentally the scene. I got the same feeling when I did listen quad ESL-2912, Audio research G150 and a Wadia SACD player. With Elsie you can reach exception sound in reduced space....

Many congratulations

Keep in touch with the forum and discover your favorite sound signature.

 

[Lord Raven]

I think you will have to purchase them. There is no way to transfer the 'win' to another Ebay'er, LR.

We had talked about these when they were for auction and was surprised the bid did not go higher, since they have been seen to go for almost $500.00 a pair. Then someone said this pair measured somewhat low.

Does anyone know what a strong pair should have measured?

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I can purchase them and re route them to someone else.

I'm interested in knowing that either, actually that's when I dropped the idea of buying them when someone said they test low. Maybe they're under rated.

 

[JazzVinyl]

I can purchase them and re route them to someone else.

I'm interested in knowing that either, actually that's when I dropped the idea of buying them when someone said they test low. Maybe they're under rated.

Definitely sounds like you have the right to return them, LR, I think you have to go through with the purchase, and return them if you feel they were not worth the money. Understand about selling your headphones, but borrow some, so you can at least audition them.....

:rolleyes:

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[Suuup]

Has anyone tried the Tung Sol 6N7G yet? 

 

[UntilThen]

Gibosi has one. Oh wait he has the 6A6.
 
Ummm ECC31 is a good benchmark amongst all the 6N7G and 6A6.

 

[Suuup]

  Gibosi has one. Oh wait he has the 6A6.

So not a Tung Sol 6N7G?

 

[Lord Raven]

Come here Raven. Help me with my testing and bring those holy grail. 

There's nothing wrong with these ECC31. Why did I score them so low?

I'm coming soon lol Remember?

And we're talking about GEC scores..

 

[UntilThen]

Haha yes come soon. Well we need to pair the FDD20/ECC31 with GEC 6AS7G. That is the bomb.

 

[Lord Raven]

Guys, I got one 5998 tube. I couldn't find another for a good price. I won this one for 112$ and shipping :/ I just won a 421A tube that's 150$ and shipping.

My question is, can I use these two power tubes together? Or will there be issues that I'm not aware of? Also, at 150$ is it a good buy?



Item #221933201334, Electric Electron Tube no. 421A 3-83 100793199 New old stock

 

[UntilThen]

  Wonderful idea about the tube rankings system, guys. I think we're really on the right track - @UntilThen, @mordy, @JazzVinyl etc.
 
This is actually what I also do for all the tubes with my other amp. For me, I generally rank them based upon clarity, THD, bass, energy, dynamics and soundstage. These are my personal 6 main factors in ranking the sonic performance of a tube. I elaborate:
 

1. clarity: This is a combination of how well the tube presents instrument separation and both the quantity and quality of the high frequencies, which IMO often tie hand-in-hand
2. THD: Total Harmonic Distortion. This is the general 'tubey' characteristics that every tube introduces into the sound, and I see this to effect mostly the greater mid-range; it's the way the current flows through the tubes' circuitry that determines how much of a euphonic sound it makes. Personally I prefer a medium amount of THD. Too little sounds dry / stale / clinical, and too much sounds overtly lush / colored to the point of occasionally making one feel sick. And how can you determine the THD, you may ask? Well I've developed an un-scientific method, by picking out several specific parts of specific tracks which I've listened to before on other tubes which strike me as having a very high THD, and I listen to that portion of that song on a loop and see whether or not it makes me cringe; and some A/B-ing on that same looped recording with other tubes that have more/less (perceived) THD. PM me if you would like a copy of my THD test tracks.
3. energy: this is similar to THD yet also a bit hard to put into words. I feel that all tubes have a distinct sounding amount of 'energy', and I will attempt to describe it: imagine how much overall energy of the sound of a massive orchestra makes compared to one guy singing on a street corner. That's what I mean by energy - how energetic or much pure lifelike vividness does it seem to have
4. bass: quantity & qualities such as / sub bass extension / bass speed. How much bass does it have, and how is the quality; does it have good definition and organic qualities; and does it sound punchy or slow and open
5. dynamics: how punchy a sound is; how hard the likes of a snare 'slams', especially with a focus on the speed of short sounds from the time they begin and end (ADSR, part of the PRaT), in which the most lifelike dynamics are generally more desirable. Not too fast, and not too slow / muddy.
6. soundstage: (everybody already knows this one)... but it would be interesting to know how soundstage correlates with imaging
7. overall ranking: how you rank it on a scale of 1-10 (or 1 + for something otherworldly)

 
Here is an example of my rankings for one of my (other amps's) tubes:
 
GE 6SN7 6TA Copperposts
Clarity: 9/10. THD:   6.7/10. Bass: proper FR & very pleasing, slightly rolled off sub-bass but there. Energy: 8/10. Dynamics: 8.5 Overall: 8.6/10
 poss. good for mastering on HD 650. Realistic, yet maybe sl. too engaging w. med-hi THD. Realistic treble on 650, bass OK but sl. more to be desired. Good s.stage. Punchy but bass maybe too fast. Stage average
 
So I think this would be extremely helpful if the most active users would keep a working 'hit list' of their tube rankings. Just one list, so that both the 'tube addict' can keep organised, and the 'lurker' can save big time - by simply checking the updated list. Of course we can customize the factors we use, but those were just the ones I chose as most useful to me. We can even do some collaborative interactive tube ranking list, or maybe use just one specific post as the working 'hit list'.

Hi DL,
 
That is a great suggestion. Good stuff. Not sure how much more luxury time I'll have left. Will try this though but it's going to take 6 months. 

 

[UntilThen]

Guys, I got one 5998 tube. I couldn't find another for a good price. I won this one for 112$ and shipping :/ I just won a 421A tube that's 150$ and shipping.

My question is, can I use these two power tubes together? Or will there be issues that I'm not aware of? Also, at 150$ is it a good buy?

Yes and Yes.
 
No reason why you can't use them together even though a lot of people claim the 421a is a lot better than 5998. I'm not convinced though. $150 is definitely a good price if it's ok condition.

 

[Lord Raven]

Yes and Yes.

No reason why you can't use them together even though a lot of people claim the 421a is a lot better than 5998. I'm not convinced though. $150 is definitely a good price if it's ok condition.

Check out the tube, I just updated my last post. I am afraid of 421A is better than 5998 then this might make me buy another tube which will be impossible.