[HPLobster]

   
...and what drivers were you using with the Valvo 6080 to experience epiphany? 

 
 
When you try the EL11, EL12 spez, you will witness the parting of the Red Sea.

Just the good old Psvane 6SN7s...so still plenty of room for further gains 

 

 

[UntilThen]

  Just the good old Psvane 6SN7s...so still plenty of room for further gains 

 

 
That will be revealing. Perhaps a bit on the bright side. I do like to see the sun occasionally but when you get your EL3N adapters do try this. It will expand the stage, triple the layers, air abundant and joy forever.
 
Btw you should have gotten a nice cheap NOS pair of EL3N from http://www.acoustic-dimension.com at 20 euros each.
 

 

[aqsw]

After 1 day T1s vs Ether Cs

Soundstage T1 much better
Comfort Ether better
Low volume Ether better
High volume T1 better

I do hear the treble spike at high volumes with T1
Elise starts clipping at 12 oclock with Ethers, 2 oclock with T1s ( but volume is too high at these levels)
Female vocals Ether
Male vocals T1
Volume marching by my ear. Plus 1-1.5 on the Ethrrs

Overall, it's a tie.
As of riht now, I'm keeping them both.

I use the Ethers for movies as I find them a tad more comfortable.

 

[UntilThen]

There's no way I could hit 2pm on my T1. Approaching 12noon and my ear drums are about to shatter.
 
Good review @aqsw  I've not heard an Ether-C but sounds like they are complimentary.

 

[aqsw]

There's no way I could hit 2pm on my T1. Approaching 12noon and my ear drums are about to shatter.

Good review @aqsw
  I've not heard an Ether-C but sounds like they are complimentary.

Like I've noted before, I really believe I've got a lemon.

It still sounds so nice though, even though I can't use the tubes you do. I lost alot on my Mazdas and Ts 5998s because they would just distort in my amp.

 

[HPLobster]

   
That will be revealing. Perhaps a bit on the bright side. I do like to see the sun occasionally but when you get your EL3N adapters do try this. It will expand the stage, triple the layers, air abundant and joy forever.
 
Btw you should have gotten a nice cheap NOS pair of EL3N from http://www.acoustic-dimension.com at 20 euros each.
 

 
Much obliged! I am most certainly going to try this 

As a matter of fact, after I already had paid a L-O-T on the EL12 spez and the EL11, I actually got the EL3N fairly cheap over here:
 
https://www.btb-elektronik.de/search?filter=EL3n

 

[Oskari]

This guy lists the Mullard and Valvo 6080s as equivalents in his thread (see "tier IId)"), I based my ebay-venture on him in this case.

If your Valvos have codes like the tube shown here

https://www.sokoll-technologies.de/Museum/Auto/Roehren/04/04428/04428.html

they were made by Mullard ("Philips UK").

AJ = 6080. R = Mullard, Mitcham.

 

[UntilThen]

Like I've noted before, I really believe I've got a lemon.

It still sounds so nice though, even though I can't use the tubes you do. I lost alot on my Mazdas and Ts 5998s because they would just distort in my amp.

 
No matter. At least EL3N and EL12N works well for you and that's near the top of the pile. When you consider how much the EL3N and EL12N cost compared to TS 5998, it's a real bargain for quality sound.

 

[HPLobster]

If your Valvos have codes like the tube shown here

https://www.sokoll-technologies.de/Museum/Auto/Roehren/04/04428/04428.html

they were made by Mullard ("Philips UK").

AJ = 6080. R = Mullard, Mitcham.

 
All of them do have these codes:
 

 
If I understood everything correctly, this means they were made during the third week of February 1960, by Mullard, Mitcham.
 
So I guess this means that I have not gone completely bonkers, having an "epiphany" and all that 

 

[UntilThen]

These are my Mullard 6080 and they have a different code but still have that 'YES' moment. 

 
http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aah0004.htm
 

 

[mordy]

Hi FR,
 
Thank you for your chart. Would it be possible to add the following to your chart with the specs?
 
6N7G
 
EL11
 
EL12
 
EL12N
 
EL6
 
A question: I have both the 5998 and the 7236. Even though the amplification factor is the same for both, 4.8, my impression is that the 5998 plays louder. What could account for that?
 
Is there any rule in matching the gain between the driver and power tubes in the Elise?

 

[aqsw]

No matter. At least EL3N and EL12N works well for you and that's near the top of the pile. When you consider how much the EL3N and EL12N cost compared to TS 5998, it's a real bargain for quality sound.

I totally agree. I would never have ordered the Euforia if I didn't find thst combo.

 

[Oskari]

If I understood everything correctly, this means they were made during the third week of February 1960, by Mullard, Mitcham.

Yes, except 1960 is not possible because the week number is there. 1970 seems likely.

 

[UntilThen]

  Hi FR,
 
Thank you for your chart. Would it be possible to add the following to your chart with the specs?
 
6N7G
 
EL11
 
EL12
 
EL12N
 
EL6
 
A question: I have both the 5998 and the 7236. Even though the amplification factor is the same for both, 4.8, my impression is that the 5998 plays louder. What could account for that?
 
Is there any rule in matching the gain between the driver and power tubes in the Elise?

 
Yes have that updated and pin it on the front page. @HOWIE13 did one earlier too. I think the 5998 is louder because of the higher transconductance.

 

[DecentLevi]

  BTW: My father recently visited me and called the tubes "lamps"...he was like: "Oh, you are taking this hobby pretty serious, hm? You even bought this thing with lamps on it....what are these for? Do they actually produce sound....like bells???" 

  He is a concertmaster in a major orchestra, I must add...I guess everyone has other priorities in life, right?! 

 

 
Wow I think he's onto something... maybe we shall try 'bell rolling' and see how them cowbells compare to jinglebells on the Elise... or wait, those are something to make sound rather than reproduce it, loL. Or we can cut energy costs by finding the brightest and warmest tubes as lamps / heaters for the room 

 
Nothing against your father intended at all - I also get a variety of strange recations to tubes, headphone costs, etc. from 'normal people' on occasion. And that's great for the Elise to get an endorsement from a concert master, even just using the PSVane + Valvo 6080's, right?