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Mar 3, 2023 at 1:43 AM Post #9,031 of 10,616
I’m noticing odd behavior with the Roon and Roon Arc apps. If I’m playing a file at a particular sample rate from another app, like Apple Music, and then switch to playing music on one of the Roon amps, it changes the sample rate of the music to match whatever the rate of the song was that I had playing previously in another app. Is this a known issue?
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 2:06 AM Post #9,032 of 10,616
Excerpt from my post 5999 - "The reason I have practically never posted on Head-fi is because I do not consider myself skilled enough to describe audio sound character differences. So please don’t ask me for such. That said, the reason I recounted my audio history above is as testimony about my life-long exposure and quest for terrific quality audio."

But since you did anyway :)),

The BHSE/Chord Hugo/Stax SR-009 combo as anyone would expect - outstanding. But I so much prefer the lighter weight and lighter clamping pressure of the Senn HD800 and HD-800s < I've had both. And of course, the portability - to be able to walk around or lie back in bed or in a recliner vs being shackled by a long cord to a stationary rig. Having not had the BHSE/Stax for a few years, my recall is dim as to exact differences to DX320. Plus my 74-year old ears unfortunately do not hear the high's as when I was younger, though I have been careful to avoid exposure to sustained "Loud" in order to minimize hearing degradation.

Of course, audio via a well-configured speaker system is much different than thru any headphone rig. I love my surround sound SACD's and Blu-ray music concerts in my media room on a 16' wide screen with extremely immersive sound and perfectly calibrated dual SVS SB-3000 subs in a carefully acoustically-treated room.

My DX320/Senn HD-800s combo will never deliver the bass slam of my media room. The Senn HD800s is known to be somewhat bass modest. I sampled successive Audeze headphone versions for their touted bass delivery, but sold them off because they felt too heavy and clamped too hard for me = fatigue. I can listen to the Senn HD-800s for hours and hours without fatigue. I sample many genre's - rock, pop, classic, jazz, new age - but sample fav's are Alison Krauss and Union Station and Steely Dan.

I love the DX-320 / Senn HD-800s combo for the comfort, and the exposure to the intricate detail of headphones vs. speakers. Such a different perspective than via speakers. Senn HD-800s mid-bass delivery is adequate for me. The rest is just awesome with stock Amp 11mk2, but the Amp 11-MUSE-XF simply somehow enhances everything - dynamics, details, musicality. I expected to prefer Amp 13 or 14 over stock 11mk2, for their tube warmth, but slightly prefer the AMP 11mk2. I swapped all 4 of my Amp modules in and out for this past week to contrast, but I keep wanting my Amp 11-MUSE-XF back in my DX320 - it has IMO, the best characteristics of all 4, but greatly heightened! Improvement is not subtle.

I've only had one pair of iem's - Dunu SP6. I didn't care much for the "feel" of the tips, maybe because I have small ears. So I sent off ear impressions to 64 Audio for a12t ciem's and am 5 weeks into the 7 week production time estimate. I expect, I'll use these on airplanes mostly. It's been fun getting back into headphones. The technology and offerings have advanced so much since I last hacked around with such 10+/- years ago!
Looks like you did a fine job to me... :)
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 2:15 AM Post #9,033 of 10,616
I’m noticing odd behavior with the Roon and Roon Arc apps. If I’m playing a file at a particular sample rate from another app, like Apple Music, and then switch to playing music on one of the Roon amps, it changes the sample rate of the music to match whatever the rate of the song was that I had playing previously in another app. Is this a known issue?
Roon isn’t officially supported on DX320.
You need to use some Bitperfect endpoint like IPhone or Ipad and connect the DAP via USB and use it in DAC mode
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 5:52 AM Post #9,034 of 10,616
I’m noticing odd behavior with the Roon and Roon Arc apps. If I’m playing a file at a particular sample rate from another app, like Apple Music, and then switch to playing music on one of the Roon amps, it changes the sample rate of the music to match whatever the rate of the song was that I had playing previously in another app. Is this a known issue?
Yes.

Roon and Roon ARC will default to 768khz unless you play something in another app like mango. Then it will stay there. I usually pick a 44khz song in mango prior to using Roon ARC. Higher sample rates drain the battery quickly. Especially 768khz. Another poster has a playlist of short samples of every bit rate he plays to force Roon to a certain sample rate. I just keep it at 44khz and let Roon do the conversion.
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 6:45 AM Post #9,035 of 10,616
Yes.

Roon and Roon ARC will default to 768khz unless you play something in another app like mango. Then it will stay there. I usually pick a 44khz song in mango prior to using Roon ARC. Higher sample rates drain the battery quickly. Especially 768khz. Another poster has a playlist of short samples of every bit rate he plays to force Roon to a certain sample rate. I just keep it at 44khz and let Roon do the conversion.
Or just use my suggestion with a supported endpoint like PC or Apple device and no need to work around the unsupported workflows.
Using Roon mostly at home means kind of half stationary usage so the PC, Apple device is anyway sitting near the DAP.

What I am interested in though, have you tried playing MQA from Roon to the DX320 Roon app?
In that case the MQA container might be identified by the DX320 firmware and do some unfold as intended?
Hard to check though if anything is played at 768khz though 😉
 
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Mar 3, 2023 at 7:10 AM Post #9,036 of 10,616
Or just use my suggestion with a supported endpoint like PC or Apple device and no need to work around the unsupported workflows.
Using Roon mostly at home means kind of half stationary usage so the PC, Apple device is anyway sitting near the DAP.

What I am interested in though, have you tried playing MQA from Roon to the DX320 Roon app?
In that case the MQA container might be identified by the DX320 firmware and do some unfold as intended?
Hard to check though if anything is played at 768khz though 😉
I don’t use Tidal. But I agree, that would be an interesting experiment.

I’m a huge Roon ARC fan. I use the Roon radio feature extensively. I agree, when I’m home, there is no issue using external DAC for bit perfect playback. I use the Mojo 2 for this. When I travel, I just bring the Sony ier zr1 and Ibasso. I can honestly not tell the difference between bit perfect and Roon resampling. But I can confirm that upsampling to 768khz on the DX320 and streaming will drain the digital battery to 40% within a couple hours.
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 7:38 AM Post #9,037 of 10,616
I don’t use Tidal. But I agree, that would be an interesting experiment.

I’m a huge Roon ARC fan. I use the Roon radio feature extensively. I agree, when I’m home, there is no issue using external DAC for bit perfect playback. I use the Mojo 2 for this. When I travel, I just bring the Sony ier zr1 and Ibasso. I can honestly not tell the difference between bit perfect and Roon resampling. But I can confirm that upsampling to 768khz on the DX320 and streaming will drain the digital battery to 40% within a couple hours.
You made me curious and I‘ve installed the Roon Remote on the DX320. Unfortunately it seems I cannot select a different upsampling rate in Roon.
The Upsampling part is grayed out.
How could you make DX320 playing a different rate again in Roon?
Playing some other song e.g. in Mango changes bitrate but back in Roon Remote it will go back to 768

Edit1: I managed it:
- Restart Roon Remote
- Start song with defined bit rate in Mango app and keep it playing
- Start playback in Roon

Edit2:
- I will experiment keeping sample rate at 96khz as this should cover 99% of my Qobuz playlists and upsampling isn‘t that demanding for the Redbook parts compared to 768khz
—> I‘ve now tested different sample rates being played in advance of starting Roon playback like 48khz and 96khz but seems Roon Playback will default to Redbook format only, so it seems to be a choice of either Redbook-downsampling or 768khz-upsampling for the current unsupported Roon-playback
- MQA decoding won‘t work though configured in Roon

Still sounding decent and could even be remote controlled e.g using IPad
 

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Mar 3, 2023 at 8:32 AM Post #9,038 of 10,616
And here the Roon setup wired playing in DAC mode without sample rate hassle
 

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Mar 3, 2023 at 9:00 AM Post #9,039 of 10,616
That’s really disappointing, for a TOTL player not to be able to do bitperfect output on one of the most popular and lauded audiophile apps.
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 9:10 AM Post #9,040 of 10,616
That’s really disappointing, for a TOTL player not to be able to do bitperfect output on one of the most popular and lauded audiophile apps.
Well yes and no
Only company embedding native Roon support in all players is Astell & Kern.
FIIO has surprised me starting to introduce this feature lately but all the rest (not only IBasso): no
I assume not enough demand to go through the effortsome process of Roon certification
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 9:44 AM Post #9,042 of 10,616
Bummer :(
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 9:47 AM Post #9,043 of 10,616
Mar 3, 2023 at 11:06 AM Post #9,045 of 10,616
Coming back to DAC mode topic
Finally no digital battery drain but only analogue which never happens otherwise- but your source is draining (despite it’s AC powered )
 

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