AdamCalifornia
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Having tested myself the Gilmore Lite amp with
the Beyer's DT880 and the Sennheiser's HD595 (50 Ohm),
to my ears, Gilmore Lite sounds like a
'Very Fine Transistor Radio' indeed. Period.
Welcome to the Wonderful World of the 'Very Fine Transistor Radio' Sound!!!
Mini-Meet:
Place/time: Dark Side of the Moon; 11 days in March this year.
Participants: Me, my faithful dog, and my UNfaithful girlfriend
Equipment:
I. Marantz CD5400 dedicated CD player with headphone circuitry/jack ($299)
II. Pioneer DV-578A-S universal DVD/DVD-A/CD/SACD player ($129)
III. Panasonic PV7665S Hi-Fi Stereo VCR player ($250 in 1998)
IV. CambridgeSoundWorks multimedia receiver ($99)
Cable: Standard RadioShack gold plated stereo L/R cable
Music: Dark Side of the Moon (SACD, CD, 24Krt Gold MFSL), Avalon (Roxy Music) HDCD,
The Rolling Stones (1964-1971), Joe Cocker, Deep Purple, The War Of The Worlds (rock album), ... , classical piano music, choral, ...
Tie Me Up Baby!
My UNfaithful girlfriend wrapped her non-transparent headband around my head to cover my eyes. Additionally, she wrapped her non-transparent scarf around
my head to cover my eyes again. As the result of this I stepped on my faithful dog a couple of times. Clearly, I was double-blinded!
'Double' Blind Test
My UNfaithful girlfriend was connecting my DT880s or HD595s to the GL's or Marantz's headphone jacks respectively. This was done many times and randomly.
Each time I could easily tell when my headphones were connected to Gilmore Lite, by the GL's unique - a 'Very Fine Transistor Radio'-like sound defined in the following way:
Definition
(1) bright
(2) thin (bass light)
(3) dry (devoid of 'juice')
(4) metallic
When my DT880s or HD595s were connected directly to the Marantz's headphone jack the sound was noticeably better:
(a) darker (less bright)
(b) bass
(c) juice
(d) not metallic (with HD595s)
We did those tests over the course of eleven days. My UNfaithful girlfriend confirmed my observations and my faithful dog was the witness.
Note
I was not interested in the extreme loudness of the sound which GL could deliver. Usually I was listening at the level- 9:00-9:30-10:00-10:30 with the DT880s,
and 8:00-8:30-9:00 with the HD595s.
Imprtant Info
My DT880s and HD595s underwent 1,000+ and 1,250+ hours of burn-in period, respectively. The GL amp also underwent many hours of burn-in time,
but this did not change its 'Very Fine Transistor Radio'-like sound signature.
Intermission
Working hard I needed a break. I was thirsty. Common, I needed a b..r.
After the Intermission
We also compared the sound of the Pioneer DV-578A & Receiver with the DT880s or HD595s to the sound of Pioneer DV-578A & GL & headphones.
The sound of the system: Pioneer & Receiver & headphones was better than the sound of Pioneer & GL & headphones, namely: less bright, less thin, less dry,
and less (with DT880s) and not (with HD595s) metallic. We also repeated the tests for the Panasonic VCR player. The results were similar.
Medals Ceremony
Medals in (a)-(d) Category for Amplification
Gold: Marantz CD5400
Silver: CambridgeSoundWorks Receiver
Bronze: Gilmore Lite Amp
Medals in (a)-(d) Category for Best Sounding System
Gold: Marantz CD5400 & HD595s
Silver: Pioneer DV-578A & Receiver & HD595s
Bronze: Pioneer DV-578A & GL & HD595s
Bronze medal should go to the Panasonic VCR player & Receiver & HD595s system, but this would have been a distraction to our considerations:
(analogue) VCR tape (Dolby compression , ...) vs. digital aluminum CD.
Observation
Notice the absence of the DT880s on the podium and the favorite, i.e. the GL & DT880s combo! This is because the DT880s, as some of us acknowledge,
are inherently somehow bright, somehow shy on bass, ... perhaps some other time. And in the case of the GL & DT880s combo, GL was feeding
the already somehow bright, shy on bass, ... DT880s with a 'contaminated milk' by adding more brightness, not adding bass, introducing or adding dry
and metallic components (attributes) to the DT880s sound signature!
From a Different Perspective
Another way to look at this phenomenon is through the relations between fundamental and harmonic waves of the sound. GL, and some other amps,
improperly 'process' fundamentals and/or harmonics, and also destroy the natural relations/proprotions between them.
Example:
Cutting off the higher order harmonics or mishandling them would make the famous Stradivarius violins sound like a 'Transistor Radio'!
Good Point
Some might argue that because I used inexpensive sources (although their sound was good) GL revealed their weaknesses and the poor quality sound. -
I don't think so. This is not always true. In our case, as described above, connecting the headphones directly to the Marantz's headphone jack produced
noticeably better sound than the sound of the Marantz & GL & headphones system!
(I also used low-end cans Sennheiser PX-100 and Sony MDR-CD280 with GL and without GL and the results were similar.)
Corollary
It seems that with sources and headphones I used, GL transformed the pleasant sound of the sources, in terms of (a)-(d), into a 'Very Fine Transitor Radio'-like sound, (1)-(4).
Good News
Of course, GL produced a very fine sound in terms of: air, transparency, 3D, soundstaging, etc., but so was the Marantz CDP.
Discussion
To many people, including myself, these sound attributes (air, trensparency, 3D, soundstage, ...) are rather optional and not essential. Of course I like them very much
but only when the sound is not devoid of its essence, by being too bright, thin, dry, metallic (1)-(4).
(Of course, there are other essential sound attributes, but here I only focus on (1)-(4).)
Comparing the sound of the Marantz CDP (via its headphone jack) to the sound of GL, in terms of just mentioned attribiutes, air, transparency, 3D, etc
I actually heard (almost) no difference. Perhaps a little more air, perhaps more transparent, .... just perhaps ..
It is conceivable that if one puts the Marantz CDP and GL through some 'torture' tests, e.g. very demanding music (CDs, SACDs, ...), blackness,
separation between notes, attack, decay tests and all those audiophile tests GL would score better than the Marantz CDP. But to many of us, oridinary listeners,
this does not matter at all! We might not even notice the difference.
Also, perhaps one needs to recable the DT880s and HD595s, add power supplies and expensive cables, connectors, etc. add a $1,000 source,
then GL might score better than the Marantz CDP. But how many of us can afford this craze? This in unrealistic!
But then again, for such a 'luxury entourage' one would better buy a much better headphone amp, say in the range $1,000 - $2,000.
A Bit Of History
While looking for some reviews about GL on this site I found a hint about GL's sound signature. One experienced Head-Fi memebr noticed and said in
'Gilmore Lite vs. HeadRomm Micro Amp' thread that GL sounded like a 'transistor radio'.
I loved this expression so much, and I was also puzzled by the statement, that I personally started a thread asking:
'Gimore Lite Sounds like a TRANSISTOR Radio with the DT880s?' (Note the mispelled name: Gimore)
A Voice From the Heaven
'The DT880s and Gilmore Lite - this is the worst match!'
Actually, this was a voice (quoting from memeory) of an experienced Head-Fi member on one of my threads.
Disclaimer
Let me emphasize once again that the statements I have made here apply to my (under $300) sources, my DT880s and HD595s (50 Ohm). I don't know
how GL would perform with better sources, say in the range $800-$1,000. Also I don't know how it would perform with other headphones: Beyer's DT770 (a lot of bass),
DT990 Pro, Sennheiser's HD580-HD650, HD555. How about Sony's SA5000 and Grado's SR325? It would be very interesting to hear about any successful marriages of GL
with other sources and headphones. This amplifier is very popular on this site! I don't know how other headphone amps in the range $200-$400 perform?
Do they all sound like a 'Very Fine Transistor Radio'?
Grand Finale
With the setups (sources & GL & headphones) GL's, and perhaps other amps', sound can be succintly described using the following euphemism:
'Very Fine Transistor Radio'-like sound.
If you don't like this euphemism there's another way to describe GL's, and perhaps other amps' sound. This is the sound of under-$150 5.1 sytems
(5 speakers & sub & receiver) from the Radio Shack, Target, etc
How would you describe the sound of such sytems? This is a no-brainer. The sound is simply bright, thin, dry and metallic (and more).
Yet another way to (partially) describe such a sound is: tinny!
From the 'Illustrated Oxford Dictionary:
tinny - ... 3.b. (of reproduced sound) thin and metallic, lacking low frequencies.
Add to the tinny sound two more attributes: bright and dry and we're getting a 'Very Fine Transistor Radio'-like sound again!
Such a sound is very artificial, unpleasant, and devoid of 'juice' and life. This is not the way the music is supposed to sound through the high-end headphones!
What I have said, I have said. Amen!
See you,
Adam
the Beyer's DT880 and the Sennheiser's HD595 (50 Ohm),
to my ears, Gilmore Lite sounds like a
'Very Fine Transistor Radio' indeed. Period.
Welcome to the Wonderful World of the 'Very Fine Transistor Radio' Sound!!!
Mini-Meet:
Place/time: Dark Side of the Moon; 11 days in March this year.
Participants: Me, my faithful dog, and my UNfaithful girlfriend
Equipment:
I. Marantz CD5400 dedicated CD player with headphone circuitry/jack ($299)
II. Pioneer DV-578A-S universal DVD/DVD-A/CD/SACD player ($129)
III. Panasonic PV7665S Hi-Fi Stereo VCR player ($250 in 1998)
IV. CambridgeSoundWorks multimedia receiver ($99)
Cable: Standard RadioShack gold plated stereo L/R cable
Music: Dark Side of the Moon (SACD, CD, 24Krt Gold MFSL), Avalon (Roxy Music) HDCD,
The Rolling Stones (1964-1971), Joe Cocker, Deep Purple, The War Of The Worlds (rock album), ... , classical piano music, choral, ...
Tie Me Up Baby!
My UNfaithful girlfriend wrapped her non-transparent headband around my head to cover my eyes. Additionally, she wrapped her non-transparent scarf around
my head to cover my eyes again. As the result of this I stepped on my faithful dog a couple of times. Clearly, I was double-blinded!
'Double' Blind Test
My UNfaithful girlfriend was connecting my DT880s or HD595s to the GL's or Marantz's headphone jacks respectively. This was done many times and randomly.
Each time I could easily tell when my headphones were connected to Gilmore Lite, by the GL's unique - a 'Very Fine Transistor Radio'-like sound defined in the following way:
Definition
(1) bright
(2) thin (bass light)
(3) dry (devoid of 'juice')
(4) metallic
When my DT880s or HD595s were connected directly to the Marantz's headphone jack the sound was noticeably better:
(a) darker (less bright)
(b) bass
(c) juice
(d) not metallic (with HD595s)
We did those tests over the course of eleven days. My UNfaithful girlfriend confirmed my observations and my faithful dog was the witness.
Note
I was not interested in the extreme loudness of the sound which GL could deliver. Usually I was listening at the level- 9:00-9:30-10:00-10:30 with the DT880s,
and 8:00-8:30-9:00 with the HD595s.
Imprtant Info
My DT880s and HD595s underwent 1,000+ and 1,250+ hours of burn-in period, respectively. The GL amp also underwent many hours of burn-in time,
but this did not change its 'Very Fine Transistor Radio'-like sound signature.
Intermission
Working hard I needed a break. I was thirsty. Common, I needed a b..r.
After the Intermission
We also compared the sound of the Pioneer DV-578A & Receiver with the DT880s or HD595s to the sound of Pioneer DV-578A & GL & headphones.
The sound of the system: Pioneer & Receiver & headphones was better than the sound of Pioneer & GL & headphones, namely: less bright, less thin, less dry,
and less (with DT880s) and not (with HD595s) metallic. We also repeated the tests for the Panasonic VCR player. The results were similar.
Medals Ceremony
Medals in (a)-(d) Category for Amplification
Gold: Marantz CD5400
Silver: CambridgeSoundWorks Receiver
Bronze: Gilmore Lite Amp
Medals in (a)-(d) Category for Best Sounding System
Gold: Marantz CD5400 & HD595s
Silver: Pioneer DV-578A & Receiver & HD595s
Bronze: Pioneer DV-578A & GL & HD595s
Bronze medal should go to the Panasonic VCR player & Receiver & HD595s system, but this would have been a distraction to our considerations:
(analogue) VCR tape (Dolby compression , ...) vs. digital aluminum CD.
Observation
Notice the absence of the DT880s on the podium and the favorite, i.e. the GL & DT880s combo! This is because the DT880s, as some of us acknowledge,
are inherently somehow bright, somehow shy on bass, ... perhaps some other time. And in the case of the GL & DT880s combo, GL was feeding
the already somehow bright, shy on bass, ... DT880s with a 'contaminated milk' by adding more brightness, not adding bass, introducing or adding dry
and metallic components (attributes) to the DT880s sound signature!
From a Different Perspective
Another way to look at this phenomenon is through the relations between fundamental and harmonic waves of the sound. GL, and some other amps,
improperly 'process' fundamentals and/or harmonics, and also destroy the natural relations/proprotions between them.
Example:
Cutting off the higher order harmonics or mishandling them would make the famous Stradivarius violins sound like a 'Transistor Radio'!
Good Point
Some might argue that because I used inexpensive sources (although their sound was good) GL revealed their weaknesses and the poor quality sound. -
I don't think so. This is not always true. In our case, as described above, connecting the headphones directly to the Marantz's headphone jack produced
noticeably better sound than the sound of the Marantz & GL & headphones system!
(I also used low-end cans Sennheiser PX-100 and Sony MDR-CD280 with GL and without GL and the results were similar.)
Corollary
It seems that with sources and headphones I used, GL transformed the pleasant sound of the sources, in terms of (a)-(d), into a 'Very Fine Transitor Radio'-like sound, (1)-(4).
Good News
Of course, GL produced a very fine sound in terms of: air, transparency, 3D, soundstaging, etc., but so was the Marantz CDP.
Discussion
To many people, including myself, these sound attributes (air, trensparency, 3D, soundstage, ...) are rather optional and not essential. Of course I like them very much
but only when the sound is not devoid of its essence, by being too bright, thin, dry, metallic (1)-(4).
(Of course, there are other essential sound attributes, but here I only focus on (1)-(4).)
Comparing the sound of the Marantz CDP (via its headphone jack) to the sound of GL, in terms of just mentioned attribiutes, air, transparency, 3D, etc
I actually heard (almost) no difference. Perhaps a little more air, perhaps more transparent, .... just perhaps ..
It is conceivable that if one puts the Marantz CDP and GL through some 'torture' tests, e.g. very demanding music (CDs, SACDs, ...), blackness,
separation between notes, attack, decay tests and all those audiophile tests GL would score better than the Marantz CDP. But to many of us, oridinary listeners,
this does not matter at all! We might not even notice the difference.
Also, perhaps one needs to recable the DT880s and HD595s, add power supplies and expensive cables, connectors, etc. add a $1,000 source,
then GL might score better than the Marantz CDP. But how many of us can afford this craze? This in unrealistic!
But then again, for such a 'luxury entourage' one would better buy a much better headphone amp, say in the range $1,000 - $2,000.
A Bit Of History
While looking for some reviews about GL on this site I found a hint about GL's sound signature. One experienced Head-Fi memebr noticed and said in
'Gilmore Lite vs. HeadRomm Micro Amp' thread that GL sounded like a 'transistor radio'.
I loved this expression so much, and I was also puzzled by the statement, that I personally started a thread asking:
'Gimore Lite Sounds like a TRANSISTOR Radio with the DT880s?' (Note the mispelled name: Gimore)
A Voice From the Heaven
'The DT880s and Gilmore Lite - this is the worst match!'
Actually, this was a voice (quoting from memeory) of an experienced Head-Fi member on one of my threads.
Disclaimer
Let me emphasize once again that the statements I have made here apply to my (under $300) sources, my DT880s and HD595s (50 Ohm). I don't know
how GL would perform with better sources, say in the range $800-$1,000. Also I don't know how it would perform with other headphones: Beyer's DT770 (a lot of bass),
DT990 Pro, Sennheiser's HD580-HD650, HD555. How about Sony's SA5000 and Grado's SR325? It would be very interesting to hear about any successful marriages of GL
with other sources and headphones. This amplifier is very popular on this site! I don't know how other headphone amps in the range $200-$400 perform?
Do they all sound like a 'Very Fine Transistor Radio'?
Grand Finale
With the setups (sources & GL & headphones) GL's, and perhaps other amps', sound can be succintly described using the following euphemism:
'Very Fine Transistor Radio'-like sound.
If you don't like this euphemism there's another way to describe GL's, and perhaps other amps' sound. This is the sound of under-$150 5.1 sytems
(5 speakers & sub & receiver) from the Radio Shack, Target, etc
How would you describe the sound of such sytems? This is a no-brainer. The sound is simply bright, thin, dry and metallic (and more).
Yet another way to (partially) describe such a sound is: tinny!
From the 'Illustrated Oxford Dictionary:
tinny - ... 3.b. (of reproduced sound) thin and metallic, lacking low frequencies.
Add to the tinny sound two more attributes: bright and dry and we're getting a 'Very Fine Transistor Radio'-like sound again!
Such a sound is very artificial, unpleasant, and devoid of 'juice' and life. This is not the way the music is supposed to sound through the high-end headphones!
What I have said, I have said. Amen!
See you,
Adam