[blinx]

why its such a huge deal is because an digg accepted money from a HD-DVD group and has been banning members and removing the stories.

basically, kevin rose gave into the MPAA

 

[mrdelayer]

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Originally Posted by Chiliman /img/forum/go_quote.gif I hope to god this doesn't ruin digg, i really liked that site. I think this whole thing is a bit ridiculous, having something like that is a big risk that they are taking at digg, i don't mind at all that they censored that, and i hope they bounce back from all this. This must be a tough day at the digg headquarters. Good luck to them all. I just dugg everything that didn't have the number in an attempt to get them on the front page, I urge you guys to do the same thing... I mean, we wouldn't want for there not to be an episode of diggnation because of this, would we?

And to think I've been digging everything to do with the number and burying everything else as spam. Oops.

And if I may: while there are the scarce legitimate uses for the key, the amount that it will be used for illegitimate purposes far outweighs them.

 

[xlEnt]

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Originally Posted by Superpredator /img/forum/go_quote.gif This is funny to read on a forum where a good number of members believe in backing up their digital media. Edit: If all the pro-DRM robots unite will they form a giant super pro-DRM robot?

i'd digg that.

 

[TheMarchingMule]

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Originally Posted by blinx /img/forum/go_quote.gif why its such a huge deal is because an digg accepted money from a HD-DVD group and has been banning members and removing the stories. basically, kevin rose gave into the MPAA

Thanks for the explanation.

Oh man, I guess this really is huge, huh? People just needed this key and pretty much the HD DVD safe blew right open.

 

[TheMarchingMule]

Oh snap, the OP got censored by jude.

Well, we don't want Head-Fi being sued and shut down, now do we?

 

[mastercheif]

OMG JUDE CEONSORD THE NUMBER LETS SPAM THE SITE OMG

jk

Altough, I do not get the point of cenosring a number. How is this number illegal in any way? Its not intelectual property, because you cant copyright a number.

 

[TheMarchingMule]

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Originally Posted by mastercheif /img/forum/go_quote.gif OMG JUDE CEONSORD THE NUMBER LETS SPAM THE SITE OMG jk Altough, I do not get the point of cenosring a number. How is this number illegal in any way? Its not intelectual property, because you cant copyright a number.

Well, dude. That is literally the key to either "good" (personal backups) or bad (hint: torrents). We all know the key will follow the dark side at this rate. So although it's funny to think of it this way, the code is more than just numbers...it's ALIVE.

Oh, and it looks like the founder of Digg has decided to fight on the side of the users now. This outcome should be VERY interesting now.

http://blog.digg.com/?p=74?

 

[mastercheif]

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Originally Posted by TheMarchingMule /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well, dude. That is literally the key to either "good" (personal backups) or bad (hint: torrents). We all know the key will follow the dark side at this rate. So although it's funny to think of it this way, the code is more than just numbers...it's ALIVE. Oh, and it looks like the founder of Digg has decided to fight on the side of the users now. This outcome should be VERY interesting now. http://blog.digg.com/?p=74?

Too bad the site is down

 

[cerbie]

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Originally Posted by Fitz /img/forum/go_quote.gif Quit assuming that that's the only thing anybody is going to use it for. According to so much I've read from people with this mindset, I must be a hardcore movie pirate because I sometimes like to watch DVDs on my Linux system.

Of course you are! But see, no one's getting paid right now for you listening to music from a PC, and that just doesn't sit well. They don't want to miss that boat again, if they can help it.

Anyway, DRM gets in the way of you on your Linux box more than it does pirates, who have had ways of copying (some Russian guys, IIRC, managed a way to make a raw copy from the screen then re-encode that) since before the encryption was even broken, and are still the ones who have easiest access to the means to do so. You just saw found this key, yet there were HD-DVD torrents months ago (Jan 13 was the date).

My opinion: I'm listening to some music, right now, that's actually sitting about 15 feet away, and is coming to me over about 40 feet of cable from a file server running Samba, with a little RAID array (~300GB as 4x120). Movies becoming like this is a matter of hard drive space and bandwidth, which are now here if you want to really pay, and will be really 'here' in under five years (multi-TB drives will allow 8-30GB movies easily).

On the note of how I'm getting my music stream, and how it relates to movies, check this out. This kind of behavior on the part of the rights holders and their representatives is why those of us not for DRM generally take such a polarized stance. Especially note the lawyer's quote. It is awesome that the gus did win, of course.

I have no horse in this specific race (no interest in HD-DVD/BD at all), but I'm gonna be watching this closely.

 

[NightWoundsTime]

This one feels important. I think we're headed for a cultural war as important as George Carlin's swear words and the rebirth of the FCC. As many have pointed out, they're just numbers, but the companies in control of those numbers may just have the power to make those numbers "evil". Just like the entertainment media in the 70's made words evil if ya think about it. This is gonna get very interesting.

 

[james__bean]

I really don't get why the MPAA even bothers with DMCA take down notices in regards to this. Especially since the number has been out for like 2 months. You can't control the spread of information on the internet.

 

[a shovel]

a shovel diggs that!

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Originally Posted by Fitz /img/forum/go_quote.gif Quit assuming that that's the only thing anybody is going to use it for. According to so much I've read from people with this mindset, I must be a hardcore movie pirate because I sometimes like to watch DVDs on my Linux system.

but pirates are so sexy!

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Originally Posted by Superpredator /img/forum/go_quote.gif This is funny to read on a forum where a good number of members believe in backing up their digital media. Edit: If all the pro-DRM robots unite will they form a giant super pro-DRM robot?

How would this robot fare against standing champions such as Lazer MJ?

 

[wanderman]

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Originally Posted by Kevin Rose Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts… In building and shaping the site I’ve always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We’ve always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code. But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you’ve made it clear. You’d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be. If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying. Digg on, Kevin

it looks like the community is ready to fight the mpaa. There are alot of digg users. I hope this will make it to tv.

 

[vagarach]

It made the bbc news frontpage, so they may feature it on their headlines on tv.

And for those curious, here's what the digg frontpage looked like at around midnight yesterday in pdf form (40kb):

http://rapidshare.com/files/29101014...rontpg.pdf.htm

 

[dan1son]

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Originally Posted by mastercheif /img/forum/go_quote.gif That series of numbers is the key to most to the AACS on most HD-DVDs. Now that we have the key, you can make legal backups of HD-DVD movies.

Actually this code doesn't even make it possible to make "legal" backups. It's still illegal to make backup copies of any copy protected piece of media.

The DMCA makes it illegal to "Circumvent copyright protection systems". It makes absolutely no difference what you use it for. If you sell it, keep a backup, or play it on your portable media player it's still illegal to copy it in the first place.

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/1201.html#a

That is why this key can cause legal problems. NOT because it will be used to make pirate copies but because it will be used to make copies.

I'm not defending this law... I think it's complete crap, but unfortunately it's there.