Using Mconnect , BubbleUpnp, Jriver and other DLNA/UPNP to ARCE STREAMER DLNA (16/44.1kHz), Denafrips' R&D department must improve the firmware to support DLNA (24/192KHz), DSD128 to achieve perfect sound quality.
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zdenes
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Yes, you are right. Unfortunately, there are too many phrases used for only a few options.
Network streamer, network bridge, streamer DAC, (just) streamer, streamer transport, network player, etc.
Also, people often identify streaming with Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify, etc, whereas you can simply stream your own ripped CDs or bought files from your own server (Roon, UPNP, HQ Player Desktop) without subscription to any of the online services.
IMO, this streamer is a work in progress, not a mature product at all.
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It's not everyone's cup of tea and never will be. Alvin mentioned the POSSIBLE future developments.
For me, it is perfect as it is now, and have just placed an order. There is no point discussing further what's not in it because most of those things will never be. Just find another product.
The only things I'm hoping for are reliable operation and outstanding sound quality.
rreynolds
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Agree, I can imagine to use Arce with a Macbook/Audirvana if the SQ is superior but please then with full DLNA support.
Matt
If this chain
Macbook --> Arce --> DAC
... yields better SQ compared to
Macbook --> Iris(DDC) --> DAC
... then it is all fine.
So is the Arce kind of like a network buffer between source and DAC?
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You can call it that but it is called a network bridge or network transport. This unit is for Roon and HQ Player users. Both companies recommend the use of such devices.
https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en...ty#Rule_1_Core_and_Output_on_separate_devices
Ok so it's a network bridge (Thanks for the link, this is all new to me!) rather than a streamer. Perhaps Denefrips should change the description of the product?
"ARCE, the inaugural streamer of DENAFRIPS, designed with a primary focus on delivering an exceptional sound quality experience."
DancingSea
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I agree. Saying they left out native Tidal & Quboz support because of sound quality is ridiculous. Aurender, Auralic, HiFi Rose and far further up the food chain have all managed to have native Quboz/Tidal support and prioritize SQ.
Denafrips simply hasn’t figured it out and should say that rather than hide their ignorance behind a sound quality shield.
I must confess that I absolutely dislike streamers built mainly for Roon.
They say their top priority is SQ, but SQ is not the top priority for Roon.
It might work with Audirvana Studio up to 16/44.1, so high res from Qobuz seems not to be possible.
Indeed this unit is for Roon and HQ Player users only.
Bravo.
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DancingSea
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HQPlayer is an upsampling wizard, primarily focused on DSD. With no USB input on the ARCE, it is hamstrung for upsampling. Few HQP users would buy this. And Roon users, of which I’m one, are a small piece of the pie due to cost.
And the name ARCE is poorly chosen, so close to arse for those unfamiliar with its Greek pronunciation. Kiss my ARCE rolls out far too easily
Admittedly the Arce might work best with Roon and a Denafrips DAC via I2S, then all should be fine...
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