[Takeanidea]

Agreed... Mojo works very well with iPhone 6s and takes to sound to a much higher level! That is high praise as iPhone 6s already sounds very very good. Using Tidal and Deezer, nothing else is needed. There isn't, probably there won't ever be (unless Chord or a similar high-end audio company releases one) a DAP that can quite reach the sound quality of Mojo. Mojo is a game changer, for 399 quid, you get far better sound than the 3000 quid AK 380. All you need is a compatible (preferably an iPhone since Android phones can be incompatible) smartphone.

I hope Fiio hurries up and releases that Lightning cable soon.

A quick email to Chord or their distributrs should tell you which phones work, Android phones should work easily with the Mojo - mine worked without a hitch

 

[Ike1985]

   
I really have to respond to this. It makes me kind of sad. If you understand interconnects and digital data transfer then it is not possible to have different sounds from different sources.
 
1) File format will have no affect on the data being transmitted - which will ultimately be PCM or DSD (for the moment)
2) Once the bits of data arrive in the electronic buffer of the Mojo they will be stored as charge in transistors on silicon. All knowledge about how they got there is completely destroyed. The transfer mechanism of the bits has no impact on the nature of the bits once they are in the Mojo - that's what 'digital is digital' means. The bits in the Mojo are then fed to the DAC's. The bits going in the DAC CANNOT be affected by how they got from source to the Mojo.
 
AARRGGGHHH!!!!! 
 
Imagine if the same laws applied to transferring picture or word documents! Do you ever worry about whether you send a picture to someone by email that it will be different to if you sent it on a USB stick, or burnt to a CD? Of cource not, because digital is digital!

 
THANKS for settling it once and for all.

 

[apmusson]

THANKS for settling it once and for all.

LMAO. This one will run and run.

 

[drubrew]

A quick email to Chord or their distributrs should tell you which phones work, Android phones should work easily with the Mojo - mine worked without a hitch

We have posted a bunch of info here on USB connections and class 1 and class 2 Android drivers here. http://www.moon-audio.com/audio-cables/usb.html
 
But short and simple. There is no Apple Co-processor in the Hugo or Mojo so an Apple CCK connector is needed. We are MFI certified to build Apple Lightning cables but Apple will not let anyone build an all in one Lightning CCK cable. trust me we have tried and asked for all kinds of variances on this. This is how Apple makes money on Licensing Co-processor to Dac manufacturers. If we introduce a cable that solves this that reduces the bank role of Apple. Chord will have several accessories down the road the plug into the end of the Mojo, one of which will swallow the end of a CCK. See my Mojo review here of pics: http://blog.moon-audio.com/chord-mojo-review/
 
On Android with the help of USB Pro Audio App you can play just about any file format with the Mojo. See phone compatibility list here: http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/2015-07-22-12-01-14/usb-audio-driver
With the Hugo you can use Tidal on Android phones if you have Lollypop OS installed. As the Hugo has implementation of both USB Class 1 and Class 2 drivers. With the Mojo you cant use Tidal, as Tidal relies on the OS to supply audio drivers and Android Lollypop only supports Class 1 drivers So until Android updates this, Tidal and other apps that rely on some one else to supply drivers wont work with the Mojo. 
 
Hope this helps.

 

[Ike1985]

LMAO. This one will run and run.

 
So he's wrong? It may run but it's completely relevant since the MOJO must be stacked with something and many will be arguing with themselves whether they should stick with their smartphones or shell out for something better.  Probably one of the most relevant conversations regarding mojo.
 
I would think the Chord guys could settle this easily with their knowledge.

 

[Dithyrambes]

I guess people can get frustrated. I will fly to korea tom, then germany and was hoping to pick up a mojo somewhere in nyc. Seems the mojo cannot be found in nyc either. A bit disappointed and probably might end up purchasing something else in the future.

 

[mathi8vadhanan]

   
THANKS for settling it once and for all.

This head-fi hardly anything is settled. Even on his picture analogy, there are different JPEG encoders, which decode the digital file differently.
we're unable to see the difference, because our monitors/LCD panels aren't resolving enough.
 
I'm not saying one transport is better than the other. Just that Digital out of a file stored in same medium is not the same stream of 1's and 0's.

 

[jamato8]

   
THANKS for settling it once and for all.

Not settled. You can send images and they can be corrupted. You can have most of the image with parts of it corrupted. I work in digital images all the time and it can be seen. The same with word documents. 

 

[imattersuk]

  We have posted a bunch of info here on USB connections and class 1 and class 2 Android drivers here. http://www.moon-audio.com/audio-cables/usb.html
 
But short and simple. There is no Apple Co-processor in the Hugo or Mojo so an Apple CCK connector is needed. We are MFI certified to build Apple Lightning cables but Apple will not let anyone build an all in one Lightning CCK cable. trust me we have tried and asked for all kinds of variances on this. This is how Apple makes money on Licensing Co-processor to Dac manufacturers. If we introduce a cable that solves this that reduces the bank role of Apple. Chord will have several accessories down the road the plug into the end of the Mojo, one of which will swallow the end of a CCK. See my Mojo review here of pics: http://blog.moon-audio.com/chord-mojo-review/
 
On Android with the help of USB Pro Audio App you can play just about any file format with the Mojo. See phone compatibility list here: http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/2015-07-22-12-01-14/usb-audio-driver
With the Hugo you can use Tidal on Android phones if you have Lollypop OS installed. As the Hugo has implementation of both USB Class 1 and Class 2 drivers. With the Mojo you cant use Tidal, as Tidal relies on the OS to supply audio drivers and Android Lollypop only supports Class 1 drivers So until Android updates this, Tidal and other apps that rely on some one else to supply drivers wont work with the Mojo. 
 
Hope this helps.

Tidal works fine on the LG G4 with Mojo.
 
The biggest issue I have with Tidal and Mojo is via USB from Macbook, every time you start Tidal you have to go to settings and tell it to use Mojo.

 

[apmusson]

This debate will never go away. I understand the logic behind the 1s / 0s of the source being presented perfectly to a DAC that translates the digital info to analogue sound waves.... However in my experience there are nearly always subtle differences in how the music sounds when digital sources or even interconnects are changed.

I defer to others on why that might be...

The Mojo sounds great with both Dx90 and Fiio x5 but there is a difference in the soundstage they present..

So he's wrong? It may run but it's completely relevant since the MOJO must be stacked with something and many will be arguing with themselves whether they should stick with their smartphones or shell out for something better.  Probably one of the most relevant conversations regarding mojo.

I would think the Chord guys could settle this easily with their knowledge.

 

[drubrew]

  Tidal works fine on the LG G4 with Mojo.
 
The biggest issue I have with Tidal and Mojo is via USB from Macbook, every time you start Tidal you have to go to settings and tell it to use Mojo.

That's great to know so maybe LG is providing the drivers in this case. I know my Samsung Tab S does not work We are picking up a new Galaxy to check on it. Maybe folks should post to the thread when they're phones will or will not work. Android is an open source code which is why there are so many variances in results.
 
I'll look into the Apple issue. I know anytime I disconnect and reconnect the Hugo or Mojo I have to tell it to use the Chord in the Midi control panel. Apple unlike Windows wont let you create a true default hierarchy of which audio devices over rule if reconnected. 

 

[Yubacore]

   
So he's wrong? It may run but it's completely relevant since the MOJO must be stacked with something and many will be arguing with themselves whether they should stick with their smartphones or shell out for something better.  Probably one of the most relevant conversations regarding mojo.
 
I would think the Chord guys could settle this easily with their knowledge.

 
I'd say it's not nearly as relevant as how the Mojo sounds with different headphones and earphones. That's what I'd like to hear (more) about.

 

[highfell]

Results from my AK transport optical comparisons

All default EQs and  Optical input using the sys concept cable

All sound very good but these are differences

RWAK100 - thickish signature and heavier bass

RWAK120 - Similar to the RWAK100 but not as thick

AK240SS - tighter and better resolving all round, excellent micro detail

AK380 (Un Amped) - same as AK240SS but seems to be a little less bright - this is best for me so far (shame the stack fit is the worst)

For my ears and IMO -I rank the AK transport purley on SQ - based on default EQ and optical input as

Preferred
AK380 (Un Amped)

AK240SS

RWAK100

RWAK120
Least prefered

YMMV

Just goes to show the ones and zeros are sent in different orders effecting the signatures

By playing with the EQ you can easily see this


I also have an  QLS QA360 will try to test when I get time also, but I know already the stack size for that is too big and will look silly IMO

Apologies if you already posted this, but where do you rank the Mojo compared to listening to each of your DAPs as a DAP into headphones and not as a transport mechanism only. Particularly interested in the comparison with the 380 & the 240 .....

 

[lukeap69]

That's great to know so maybe LG is providing the drivers in this case. I know my Samsung Tab S does not work We are picking up a new Galaxy to check on it. Maybe folks should post to the thread when they're phones will or will not work. Android is an open source code which is why there are so many variances in results.
 
I'll look into the Apple issue. I know anytime I disconnect and reconnect the Hugo or Mojo I have to tell it to use the Chord in the Midi control panel. Apple unlike Windows wont let you create a true default hierarchy of which audio devices over rule if reconnected. 

 


My country where I am at does is not supported by Tidal yet, however on my Samsung Galaxy S6, I can play all audio/video apps, etc. 'natively' i,e, without using UAPP or Hibymusic or Onkyo HF players. I also tried free streaming app and worked with no problem. So I believe Tidal will work ith S6 also.

My son has Tab S 8.4 and my wife Note 5. I will try to pair them with my Mojo Jojo to see if they will also play without the apps like UAPP.

 

[beemarman]

  We have posted a bunch of info here on USB connections and class 1 and class 2 Android drivers here. http://www.moon-audio.com/audio-cables/usb.html
 
But short and simple. There is no Apple Co-processor in the Hugo or Mojo so an Apple CCK connector is needed. We are MFI certified to build Apple Lightning cables but Apple will not let anyone build an all in one Lightning CCK cable. trust me we have tried and asked for all kinds of variances on this. This is how Apple makes money on Licensing Co-processor to Dac manufacturers. If we introduce a cable that solves this that reduces the bank role of Apple. Chord will have several accessories down the road the plug into the end of the Mojo, one of which will swallow the end of a CCK. See my Mojo review here of pics: http://blog.moon-audio.com/chord-mojo-review/
 
On Android with the help of USB Pro Audio App you can play just about any file format with the Mojo. See phone compatibility list here: http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/2015-07-22-12-01-14/usb-audio-driver
With the Hugo you can use Tidal on Android phones if you have Lollypop OS installed. As the Hugo has implementation of both USB Class 1 and Class 2 drivers. With the Mojo you cant use Tidal, as Tidal relies on the OS to supply audio drivers and Android Lollypop only supports Class 1 drivers So until Android updates this, Tidal and other apps that rely on some one else to supply drivers wont work with the Mojo. 
 
Hope this helps.

 
 
I have a Sony Xperia Z2 running Lollypop and Tidal works with my mojo.