Chord Electronics - Hugo 2 - The Official Thread

Feb 20, 2022 at 4:52 AM Post #20,761 of 23,089
In love my H2.

In the realm of FoMo, I'm glad to hear that people aren't dumping the H2 for the M2
Hugo2 is very good indeed.
I am listening to it and Mojo classic side by side.
Issue is, the gap is not that big!
I have recently been experimenting with some DIY headphone cabling (on Watts Up) with interesting results.
Short & sweet of it, my solid-core silver cable has narrowed the gap even more!
The cable has improved Hugo2 to some degree, but its effect on Mojo is greater.
My headphones today are Hifiman Edition XS.
Hugo2 still has the edge when it comes to ultimate resolution and staging. Mojo is not far behind though.
Considering price! I understand if people prefer Mojo2 to Hugo2, even at used prices.
 
Feb 20, 2022 at 5:01 AM Post #20,762 of 23,089
Hugo2 is very good indeed.
I am listening to it and Mojo classic side by side.
Issue is, the gap is not that big!
I have recently been experimenting with some DIY headphone cabling (on Watts Up) with interesting results.
Short & sweet of it, my solid-core silver cable has narrowed the gap even more!
The cable has improved Hugo2 to some degree, but its effect on Mojo is greater.
My headphones today are Hifiman Edition XS.
Hugo2 still has the edge when it comes to ultimate resolution and staging. Mojo is not far behind though.
Considering price! I understand if people prefer Mojo2 to Hugo2, even at used prices.
Which cable are using? Can you pls give link
 
Feb 20, 2022 at 8:58 AM Post #20,763 of 23,089
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Feb 20, 2022 at 11:13 AM Post #20,764 of 23,089
In love my H2.

In the realm of FoMo, I'm glad to hear that people aren't dumping the H2 for the M2
Before the acquisition of Mojo2, I could not imagine what could be the evolution of the mojo.
After a few weeks of listening, the Mojo 2 gives me a vivified image, with a little more texture. The pleasure is thus revived in a larger space.
The detailed side of the Hugo2 is not approached. The main difference that matters me concerns the subttlities in the voices. With the Hugo2, I perceive what the Dave expresses fully.
In summary, the Mojo2 is a very relevant drive of mojo, but it remains a mojo that I will use intensively until its successor.
The level of the Hugo2 is not approached but I am already happy to hear the intelligence that Mr Watts will put in the Hugo3.
 
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Feb 20, 2022 at 11:26 AM Post #20,765 of 23,089
Looking at that thread, I wonder how accurate the resistance measurements are? I'd usually use a 4 point measurement for accurate results at such low resistance levels. That way, you take away the effects of contact resistance, the meeting cables and the internal resistance of the meter.

Interesting read and findings though and sounds like you got excellent results👍
 
Feb 20, 2022 at 12:11 PM Post #20,766 of 23,089
Looking at that thread, I wonder how accurate the resistance measurements are? I'd usually use a 4 point measurement for accurate results at such low resistance levels. That way, you take away the effects of contact resistance, the meeting cables and the internal resistance of the meter.

Interesting read and findings though and sounds like you got excellent results👍
its called Fluke multimeter!
you short the crocodile clips, zero it, then measure. accurate to about 0.05 ohms .
at any rates, it is approximated.
in reality there is socket contact resistance and internal wirings - can't do anything about them.
I offered measurements for those who might ask for them trying to figure out why, otherwise those figures are sort of irrelevant .
Something else is at play!
 
Feb 21, 2022 at 6:44 AM Post #20,767 of 23,089
I have Acoustic Zen Silver Reference mk1 RCA cable, which unfortunately does not fit Hugo, any suggestion for good SQ cable for Hugo.

Please suggest
 
Feb 21, 2022 at 6:49 AM Post #20,768 of 23,089
Is there any issue with using the Hugo 2 with RCAs connected to powered speakers and Headphones connected at the same time?
The reason I ask is because the RCAs and headphone amp are physically linked unlike most other DAC/Amps.
 
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Feb 21, 2022 at 7:05 AM Post #20,769 of 23,089
the RCA plug Acoustic does not fit Hugo, because Hugo connection point is very narrow. I can use AudioQuest 90 Degree adapter, but wanted to check for suggestion before going adapter way.
 
Feb 21, 2022 at 8:22 AM Post #20,770 of 23,089
Is there any issue with using the Hugo 2 with RCAs connected to powered speakers and Headphones connected at the same time?
The reason I ask is because the RCAs and headphone amp are physically linked unlike most other DAC/Amps.
Unlikely to cause any problem. Possible reduction of dynamics if your power amp has a low input imp
 
Feb 22, 2022 at 11:32 AM Post #20,771 of 23,089
Just thought I'd share a picture of my Hugo2 connected up to the powerbank that I just got as there were some posts recently about using powerbanks with the Hugo 2.

The powerbank is Krisdonia Laptop Power Bank 25000mAh. I have the powerbank connected to the mains at the moment to get the Hugo 2 into desktop mode.

The dc cable from powerbank to Hugo 2 is from ghentaudio (0.3m). I also have a DXP-1A5S on order which will go in between powerbank and the Hugo 2.

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Feb 22, 2022 at 12:58 PM Post #20,772 of 23,089
Just thought I'd share a picture of my Hugo2 connected up to the powerbank that I just got as there were some posts recently about using powerbanks with the Hugo 2.

The powerbank is Krisdonia Laptop Power Bank 25000mAh. I have the powerbank connected to the mains at the moment to get the Hugo 2 into desktop mode.

The dc cable from powerbank to Hugo 2 is from ghentaudio (0.3m). I also have a DXP-1A5S on order which will go in between powerbank and the Hugo 2.

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did you find the ghent usb makes any difference?
your setup is similar to mine, other than the fact that i use a matrix spdif 2 inbetween the streamer and dac
 
Feb 22, 2022 at 9:07 PM Post #20,773 of 23,089
Has anyone here used the Hugo 2 with a dCS Network Bridge? How was the pairing? Also what cables did you use to connect them or are recommended as I've come to understand that dCS did not end up providing support for USB out.
 
Feb 22, 2022 at 11:53 PM Post #20,774 of 23,089
Just thought I'd share a picture of my Hugo2 connected up to the powerbank that I just got as there were some posts recently about using powerbanks with the Hugo 2.

The powerbank is Krisdonia Laptop Power Bank 25000mAh. I have the powerbank connected to the mains at the moment to get the Hugo 2 into desktop mode.

The dc cable from powerbank to Hugo 2 is from ghentaudio (0.3m). I also have a DXP-1A5S on order which will go in between powerbank and the Hugo 2.


Very nice. It's refreshing to see someone start off their Hugo2 journey with a three-dimensional thought process. To take a practical, pragmatic and fundamentally sound approach. As Rob Watts mentioned, these problems are "three-dimensional and complex". 99% solve problems the one-dimensional way. They don't think beyond getting things to turn off and turn on. They just want things up and running.

That's why it's good to learn from the old school Chord fellas like ray-dude and romaz (they moved on to other audiophile websites a long time ago). Their impact tough is still felt on Chord threads to this day. Not completely follow them to a tee of course, but just to learn their thought process in applying their architecture. They have unlimited budgets and been through the ringer, so it's interesting to see their current designs.

For example, they learned to finally power their TT2 with a simple battery power bank after going through all the hype power supplies and USB optical cable (Monoprice SlimRun USB) after going through all the hype USB "audiophile" cables. They also use your DXP-1A5S to down convert to 15V:

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The DXP-1A5S may also come in handy if you battery power your network gear (down convert to 12V). I'm assuming you are down converting to 5V:

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The USB optical is proven (romaz OG solution). It's the backbone of their half a million dollar audio system. Since ray-dude has a unlimited budget, he completely gutted his Mains so he doesn't have to share Mains with his neighbors. He has his own isolated Mains which is not an option for most of us. I prefer passive power options (Super Capacitors, Batteries) anyways. I wouldn't touch any gear that uses Mains. Here they are connecting their $40,000 real-time low-latency Music Server to the Chord DAVE with the USB optical as the backbone:

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So just throwing the USB optical out there if you are looking for USB cable options in the future. The USB optical needs 5V to power for optical and heat shrinks on both sides since it gets warm. USB optical is as neutral as you can get. USB cooper fiber cables colour the sound in addition to attracting RFI. Coming from glass optical toslink, I can't stand any Audiophile USB cooper fiber cables as they are warm and gooey. I want the pure Chord 'neutral' experience, not what the USB cooper fiber cable dictates by colouring the sound. Glass toslink is awesome BTW since optical is Chord Reference, but I only recommend SPDIF with State of the Art Oscillators (competes with $20K MSB clock for a fraction of the price, still SOTA, measures better than MSB). Otherwise, USB optical maybe a better option. I have both an pure i2S (SOTA clocks) rig and a USB optical rig. Both with real-time low latency Audiophile OS (again at a fraction of the cost of commercial big boys, competes with >$7500 Music Servers). Both powered by batteries and eventually Super Capacitors. I prefer mine over commerical offerings since it's off mains and you can't put a price on being off mains. It's all about decoupling, so battery + USB optical. That's all most need. For I, I also need to decouple the Source. I cannot listen to a Source via Mains for more than 5 minutes.

I look forward to how your journey progresses. Here's a recent Rob Watt's quote:

You do not get what you pay for in audio. There are two primary parameters to audio performance - design knowledge and parts cost. Knowledge is many orders of magnitude more important.

Audiophiles often buy vastly inferior and more expensive products because they ignore design knowledge, ignore their listening experience, and listen via their wallets/eyes/brand reputation.

This can apply too to your architecture as well as DAC design. Focus on your current practical foundation of knowledge, not the brand names. Decouple and you can build non-brand name at a fraction of the cost of brand name products that fundamentally and logically works better. Sure you cannot put that you have a Hugo Boss RC4 in your signature and brag how you have a RC4 and how listening to distortions is next level. But you have comfort in a fundamentally sound system and not a Marketing toolbox. I think Audiophiles just like buying for brand name 'exclusivity'. They are not concerned with what is fundamentally sound, but 'exclusivity' is priority.
 
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Feb 23, 2022 at 12:11 AM Post #20,775 of 23,089
Hugo2 is very good indeed.
I am listening to it and Mojo classic side by side.
Issue is, the gap is not that big!
I have recently been experimenting with some DIY headphone cabling (on Watts Up) with interesting results.
Short & sweet of it, my solid-core silver cable has narrowed the gap even more!
The cable has improved Hugo2 to some degree, but its effect on Mojo is greater.
My headphones today are Hifiman Edition XS.
Hugo2 still has the edge when it comes to ultimate resolution and staging. Mojo is not far behind though.
Considering price! I understand if people prefer Mojo2 to Hugo2, even at used prices.
nice. always nice to see solid core solutions. did you oven treat?
 

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