[7ryder]

Well it happens to be one of my expertise and I have to agree, you're right rubber feet don't do much for isolation. But to be sure, I do like the way it saddled the DAVE very nicely and it does look much better than simply setting the DAVE on a shelf or desk top. IMO

Yeah, I agree, but it is a lot of coin for what is essentially cosmetics.

 

[TSAVJason]

Yeah, I agree, but it is a lot of coin for what is essentially cosmetics.

No arguement from me on that point. It's likely close to the $1200 price range to get a set of proper isolation feet. I would not be recommending stillpoints.

 

[TSAVJason]

Yeah, I agree, but it is a lot of coin for what is essentially cosmetics.

Aperta 300 by ISO-Acoustics is under $500 and will definitely do the job. It's original application is speaker isolation. We tested it on electronics isolation and it works extraordinarily well. ok so we tried it on the Dave and unfortunately the Dave is too short from front to back to use the Iso-acoustics.

 

[7ryder]

Jason,
Thanks for the suggestion and also for checking out whether or not DAVE would fit on the stand.

 

[lovethatsound]

Well it happens to be one of my expertise and I have to agree, you're right rubber feet don't do much for isolation. But to be sure, I do like the way it saddled the DAVE very nicely and it does look much better than simply setting the DAVE on a shelf or desk top. IMO

strange thing to say . Rubber is use on all sorts of suspension.eg,car,cycle's and so on☺

 

[Crgreen]

I use three Avid sorthabane isoloators under my Dave - pointy side up.

 

[TSAVJason]

strange thing to say . Rubber is use on all sorts of suspension.eg,car,cycle's and so on☺

The use in your examples are different however note that both the individual I was responding to and I used the word "much". There are better technologies to isolate audio products.

 

[Mython]

 

Well it happens to be one of my expertise and I have to agree, you're right rubber feet don't do much for isolation. But to be sure, I do like the way it saddled the DAVE very nicely and it does look much better than simply setting the DAVE on a shelf or desk top. IMO

strange thing to say . Rubber is use on all sorts of suspension.eg,car,cycle's and so on☺

 
 
 
There's a hundred different ways one could support any device.
 
If you're into rubber (wink, wink; nudge, nudge), then I suppose you could build something similar to SME's turntables
 

 
 
...which is, itself somewhat similar to microphone suspensions:
 

 
 
I think Chord's dedicated stand for DAVE is really nice, but having something machined and finished to that standard obviously isn't cheap. As someone who can't even afford DAVE, I understand the predicament!
 
 

 

[rkt31]

isolation has different effects depending upon the material used . there are two extremes like using hard pointed spikes to using soft foam patches . effect of any other material will be in between these two extremes. as per the experience hard pointed supports provide focussed sharp sound while soft supports make the sound softer. effects are very subtle though. so it all depends on one's preference . a simple and cheap yet most effective isolation diy trick is to make three ( not four ) spikes out of hard rubber piece ( cheap pencil erasers can be cut into spike shape) these spikes need to be taller than the rubber feet. paste the spikes on the bottom with with double sided tape or blue tack near the edges. this trick has the advantage of both hard spikes and soft patches. I have tried these with speakers and amps and it does work.

 

[analogmusic]

Question for Rob Watts :

Which USB cable are you using with your Dave, and also Mojo?
 
Cheers

 

[GeneralSensible]

isolation has different effects depending upon the material used . there are two extremes like using hard pointed spikes to using soft foam patches . effect of any other material will be in between these two extremes. as per the experience hard pointed supports provide focussed sharp sound while soft supports make the sound softer. effects are very subtle though. so it all depends on one's preference . a simple and cheap yet most effective isolation diy trick is to make three ( not four ) spikes out of hard rubber piece ( cheap pencil erasers can be cut into spike shape) these spikes need to be taller than the rubber feet. paste the spikes on the bottom with with double sided tape or blue tack near the edges. this trick has the advantage of both hard spikes and soft patches. I have tried these with speakers and amps and it does work.

 
This indeed can do the trick!
 
For those of you (like myself) who aren't too keen on d.i.y. there is another very effective and not too expensive solution. Under almost all my equipment I use Vibrapods and/or Vibracones. These are nice little gadgets which give really audible results in most cases. I always keep some in store for test purposes and found that they do the job isolating DAVE in my setup. 

 

[Mojo ideas]

Yeah, I agree, but it is a lot of coin for what is essentially cosmetics.

You all seem to have not realised that the Chord Ensemble Stand is part of a stacking rack system that comes in different leg configurations so that amplifiers and a CD transport can be stacked together. Also the three semi ball feet on each leg do provide significant damping due to the arc of the balls giving a tiny point contact in twelve places at quite low pressure allowing for the balls to flex . As the units are stacked each layer further isolates through the action of being as a whole a distributed mass damped system with each layer being a mass. So it's far from being "a cosmetic system " as was stated.

 

[7ryder]

You all seem to have not realised that the Chord Ensemble Stand is part of a stacking rack system that comes in different leg configurations so that amplifiers and a CD transport can be stacked together. Also the three semi ball feet on each leg do provide significant damping due to the arc of the balls giving a tiny point contact in twelve places at quite low pressure allowing for the balls to flex . As the units are stacked each layer further isolates through the action of being as a whole a distributed mass damped system with each layer being a mass. So it's far from being "a cosmetic system " as was stated.

while that may be true when used as a system, it appears that the isolation benefits are pretty minimal if used by itself with DAVE. While not as sexy looking, Stillpoints are more effective and much cheaper.

 

[DaveRedRef-III]

while that may be true when used as a system, it appears that the isolation benefits are pretty minimal if used by itself with DAVE. While not as sexy looking, Stillpoints are more effective and much cheaper.

7ryder
I have both products and I think your assertion is perhaps a little misleading. These products essentially excel at different jobs. Vibrations come from different directions. If for instance a customer has serious vertical vibration from the floor up, the stillpoints couldn't hope to suppress such movement in the same way that the cradle from Chord can. So a floating wooden floor would suggest the Cradle would do a better job. Equally if there is airborn vibration due to proximity to speakers or having to site Dave in a corner of the room, then Stillpoints is a very effective anchor to lateral movement plus a little suppression of vertical vibration for good measure. I find these excellent products compliment one another because in most setups both problems exist.

The person who doesn't care about vibrational effects in their system will of course not even hear a difference from this product because there will almost certainly be other vibrational problems which, when combined together, will mask the benefits of the cradle. Unless suppressed Vibration will be everywhere in your system. It's down to the individual to make their choices as to whether they want (or can afford) the product in order to hear the absolute closest rendition of Dave's output. It comes at a price but without a doubt it provides more than just aesthetic value.

 

[DaveRedRef-III]

Just to explain in more simplistic terms I would say the cradle is a macro vibrational solution whilst the Stillpoints excel at micro vibration. They anchor and finish the job off.