Apr 4, 2018 at 1:56 PM Post #10,638 of 27,068
I first noticed this effect with the original Hugo; before Hugo, as I improved my designs, then things became more transparent - and a recordings' flaws were easier to hear - to the point where a lot of recordings were unlistenable. But all that changed with Hugo; I could play bad quality recordings, and still enjoy the music. And this progress has been maintained with Blu Dave for example. Actually with the addition of an M scaler, this is the aspect you will appreciate the most. Now clearly from a measurement POV, and from the POV of how accurately the original waveform is being reconstructed, a Blu Dave is very much more accurate than say a Mojo. And you can play a 1930's mono recording, and enjoy the music- even though you can hear huge levels of distortion and noise, and the EQ is all wrong.

So why is this the case? I puzzled about this for a long time,and my conclusions are that digital introduces profound distortions that the ear brain has not been programmed to deal with. So the brain is used to coping with noise; it's used to dealing with simple harmonic distortion (the ear is very non-linear as a transducer); it's used to dealing with different frequency responses (when you go into a bright room or a dull room your brain auto compensates). But it can't deal with the unnatural distortions that digital introduces; and my path has been to identify and reduce these problems in a very aggressive way, without making assumptions on the way.

So I think conventional digital just destroys the music, and that's why things have profoundly changed for the better; when you listen to a Blu Dave, then you are there, in touch with the original master recording.

A pro recording engineer put it to me rather well - your gear allows me to easily hear what is wrong with a recording; but I can also experience what is right about the music.

And getting the music right is all that really matters...

I have been reflecting on this quite a bit. As I've gone from Mojo to DAVE to BluDAVE (and now Hugo2), my expectations for what makes something "musical" has changed quite a bit.

The analogy I use is that when I am walking by a coffee shop, I can tell if there is live music is being played inside, even with all the distortions of the music coming through the walls and glass, etc. Another example, is when I was walking into the airport a couple months ago, my ears perked up because I was hearing live piano. When I went in, I saw that another traveler was sitting at a piano and playing. Even with all the traffic and airport noise, I could tell it was live music from outside the terminal, and I was attracted to it and wanted to listen.

As I've gone up the Chord stack, that same feeling/impact of something being "real" has become ever more present. Even civilians in another room will pop their head around the corner and say things like "that sounds really good" or "that sounds like there is someone live in the room". For my buddy John, when he setup his Hugo2 and Omega speakers, the neighbors the next day asked if he had had some musician friends over, and commented how nice things sounded.

That has nothing to do with our normal measures of tonal balance and noise floor or sound stage or imaging clarity or being in the sweet spot. I can guarantee it sounds like crap from a different room (by any normal audiophile measures), but it still sounds real, and even non-audiophiles perk up and notice real. To Rob's point, our brains know how to deal with the natural distortion of real noises that are going through walls and barriers and overcome background noises, and to focus on the "real".

With DAVE and BluDAVE, I get that sense of real, even in bad recordings. With great vintage recordings, it is a frickin' time machine, and I see John Coltrane standing in front of me.
 
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Apr 4, 2018 at 9:23 PM Post #10,639 of 27,068
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I posted this in the blu mk2 thread but I wanted to post here as well. I’m going out on a limb to say that what the blu mk2 does is a game changer in digital audio. I only wish I didn’t have to spend as much to get my digital sources to sound as good as my analog.
“My goodness, I just hooked up my blu/dave for the first time this afternoon. I listen to a good bit of vinyl but this digital setup is the smoothest, most analog setup I’ve ever heard. Amazing. Going to be a long night. I wish I didn’t have to be functional tomorrow.”
 
Apr 5, 2018 at 7:44 AM Post #10,641 of 27,068
@minibox those Magicos are looking great, bet they sound good as well? Considering the distance to rear wall, I imagine your listening position is quite further out in front of the speakers ?

>> I only wish I didn’t have to spend as much to get my digital sources to sound as good as my analog.

I know you describe the result as being "smooth" but just wanted to know with dave alone (without blu2), what other aspects of the sound did you find lacking (compared to your analog rig)? I am not a blu2 owner myself but have read extensively what others say about the mscaler, in this case just wanted to hear about your own experience.
 
Apr 5, 2018 at 10:31 AM Post #10,642 of 27,068
@minibox those Magicos are looking great, bet they sound good as well? Considering the distance to rear wall, I imagine your listening position is quite further out in front of the speakers ?

>> I only wish I didn’t have to spend as much to get my digital sources to sound as good as my analog.

I know you describe the result as being "smooth" but just wanted to know with dave alone (without blu2), what other aspects of the sound did you find lacking (compared to your analog rig)? I am not a blu2 owner myself but have read extensively what others say about the mscaler, in this case just wanted to hear about your own experience.
They’re a transparent and revealing speaker. Very sensitive to upstream components. When I play a well recorded record, there’s layers of detail that’s not edgy or harsh and well defined in a specific space. It’s smooth, warm, has body and is lifelike. In the past, I couldn’t emotionally connect as well to digital music because it was cold and grainy. The Berkeley dac helped with this, because it has a characteristically warm, smooth sound but it lacked the detail and definition I was looking for. The Dave was even more of an improvement. Everything became more defined within the soundstage without losing any of the warmth. I was especially impressed by the increase in depth. The blu/dave simply magnified all of the great qualities of the Dave. It’s extremely lifelike and non fatiguing. It has the layers of detail of my analog rig and no cold digital hardness. I’m also enjoying playing cd’s again. I didn’t realize how much I missed the ritual of flipping through my cd book, changing a cd and sitting down to listen to the album.

My listening room is a bit oddly shaped with an alcove behind the listening position. After playing with various speaker placements I found that farther away from the front wall gave me more accurate bass and tamed a node in the front right corner.
 
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Apr 5, 2018 at 10:54 AM Post #10,643 of 27,068
The blu/dave simply magnified all of the great qualities of the Dave. It’s extremely lifelike and non fatiguing. It has the layers of detail of my analog rig and no cold digital hardness. I’m also enjoying playing cd’s again. I didn’t realize how much I missed the ritual of flipping through my cd book, changing a cd and sitting down to listen to the album.

Nice to see/hear a self-confessed vinyl fan, with a highly-revealing system, not just enjoying digital (substantially thanks to Rob's efforts), but enjoying humble 16/44.1!
 
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Apr 6, 2018 at 12:22 AM Post #10,644 of 27,068
I have finally tried DAVE with my Focal Utopia at the nearest (about 4 hours away lol) audio store. I don't get to try out audio gear often, as I live far away from any audio stores that have audio geared toward headphone users. The experience was truly incredible. So much detail and everything just felt so organic and real and the dynamism of the Utopia really played well with the DAVE. I am definitely saving my pennies for this bad boy.
 
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Apr 6, 2018 at 8:17 PM Post #10,645 of 27,068
I have finally tried DAVE with my Focal Utopia at the nearest (about 4 hours away lol) audio store. I don't get to try out audio gear often, as I live far away from any audio stores that have audio geared toward headphone users. The experience was truly incredible. So much detail and everything just felt so organic and real and the dynamism of the Utopia really played well with the DAVE. I am definitely saving my pennies for this bad boy.


Can anyone tell me if WIFI in the same room as DAVE is a problem??

At the moment my cable modem and apple AirPort Extreme are on one side of a 6 foot console unit and at the other end my Aurender N100 music server that connects directly to the apple AirPort Extreme to allow an iPad to control music selections over WiFi. DAVE will be next to the Aurender connected by USB on the other side of the console unit. There is also a SONOS sound bar below a wall mounted LED Sony TV that has a SONOS router to allow control of the sound bar via an iPhone. All of this in a small entertainment room 12 x 14 feet. Alnico floor standing speaker and two Subs flank the console unit on either side as well. There is a lot of radio waves traveling through the room!!

So will all these WIFI SIGNALS in any way affect the noise floor of the DAVE?? If so what are my options??
 
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Apr 6, 2018 at 11:43 PM Post #10,647 of 27,068
Can anyone tell me if WIFI in the same room as DAVE is a problem??

At the moment my cable modem and apple AirPort Extreme are on one side of a 6 foot console unit and at the other end my Aurender N100 music server that connects directly to the apple AirPort Extreme to allow an iPad to control music selections over WiFi. DAVE will be next to the Aurender connected by USB on the other side of the console unit. There is also a SONOS sound bar below a wall mounted LED Sony TV that has a SONOS router to allow control of the sound bar via an iPhone. All of this in a small entertainment room 12 x 14 feet. Alnico floor standing speaker and two Subs flank the console unit on either side as well. There is a lot of radio waves traveling through the room!!

So will all these WIFI SIGNALS in any way affect the noise floor of the DAVE?? If so what are my options??

The aluminum casing and galvanic isolation should minimize WiFi and not affect DAVE's analog noise output
 
Apr 7, 2018 at 8:20 PM Post #10,649 of 27,068
Can anyone tell me if WIFI in the same room as DAVE is a problem??

At the moment my cable modem and apple AirPort Extreme are on one side of a 6 foot console unit and at the other end my Aurender N100 music server that connects directly to the apple AirPort Extreme to allow an iPad to control music selections over WiFi. DAVE will be next to the Aurender connected by USB on the other side of the console unit. There is also a SONOS sound bar below a wall mounted LED Sony TV that has a SONOS router to allow control of the sound bar via an iPhone. All of this in a small entertainment room 12 x 14 feet. Alnico floor standing speaker and two Subs flank the console unit on either side as well. There is a lot of radio waves traveling through the room!!

So will all these WIFI SIGNALS in any way affect the noise floor of the DAVE?? If so what are my options??

I have my main wifi router approx 1.5 metres (~5 feet) laterally away from DAVE but approx 1 metre (~3 feet) above DAVE. I have turned the wifi router off to test this exact scenario and have been comforted by no discernable difference to the analogue sound generated by DAVE through its headphone output port.

regards
GG
 
Apr 7, 2018 at 11:18 PM Post #10,650 of 27,068
I have my main wifi router approx 1.5 metres (~5 feet) laterally away from DAVE but approx 1 metre (~3 feet) above DAVE. I have turned the wifi router off to test this exact scenario and have been comforted by no discernable difference to the analogue sound generated by DAVE through its headphone output port.

regards
GG
That’s reassuring. Thanks
 

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