Cayin HA-3A, a Compact 6V6s Transformer-coupled Tube Amplifier

Feb 17, 2023 at 2:38 PM Post #796 of 3,766
Is the Cayin HA-6A a significant improvement?

I hope the answer is no 😀
After heard the pairing of Wavelight + Caldera with Cayin Amps today, my opinion is your DAC would "unleash" more potential in soundstage, detail, and treble/bass extension when paired with HA-6A (compared to HA-3A).

HA-3A in comparison, would sound less transparent and more rounded through all spectrum, a little longer in decay and also a little narrower. In positive notes, HA-3A is more forgiving for various recordings.

I can enjoy both amp well, so subjective preference would play big role here. If I have to choose one (for Caldera), I would point my finger to HA-6A.
 
Feb 17, 2023 at 2:51 PM Post #797 of 3,766
After heard the pairing of Wavelight + Caldera with Cayin Amps today, my opinion is your DAC would "unleash" more potential in soundstage, detail, and treble/bass extension when paired with HA-6A (compared to HA-3A).

HA-3A in comparison, would sound less transparent and more rounded through all spectrum, a little longer in decay and also a little narrower. In positive notes, HA-3A is more forgiving for various recordings.

I can enjoy both amp well, so subjective preference would play big role here. If I have to choose one (for Caldera), I would point my finger to HA-6A.
The HA-6A also cost twice as much as the HA-3A (at least here in the UK) and is significantly bigger and heavier (20kg versus 12kg). To me the 3A is already pretty big and heavy, so price and weight/size might also be something that potential buyers want to consider before purchase. ;)
 
Feb 17, 2023 at 3:05 PM Post #798 of 3,766
The HA-6A also cost twice as much as the HA-3A (at least here in the UK) and is significantly bigger and heavier (20kg versus 12kg). To me the 3A is already pretty big and heavy, so price and weight/size might also be something that potential buyers want to consider before purchase. :wink:

That's very correct, value wise HA-3A is pretty solid.

Also, I know some of my friends who "couldn't afford" to own HA300-II due to the size.
 
Feb 17, 2023 at 3:54 PM Post #799 of 3,766
After heard the pairing of Wavelight + Caldera with Cayin Amps today, my opinion is your DAC would "unleash" more potential in soundstage, detail, and treble/bass extension when paired with HA-6A (compared to HA-3A).

HA-3A in comparison, would sound less transparent and more rounded through all spectrum, a little longer in decay and also a little narrower. In positive notes, HA-3A is more forgiving for various recordings.

I can enjoy both amp well, so subjective preference would play big role here. If I have to choose one (for Caldera), I would point my finger to HA-6A.
The Caldera is ordered already ! So excited how it will turn out and sound. Hopefully like an upgraded Meze Empyrean.

What I really love about the Cayin HA-3A is how hard the bass hits. I think that's the main reason it did convince me from day one.

If I have more desk space some day I might consider the HA-6A. Ultralinear and triode mode sound interesting.
 
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Feb 17, 2023 at 5:51 PM Post #800 of 3,766
After heard the pairing of Wavelight + Caldera with Cayin Amps today, my opinion is your DAC would "unleash" more potential in soundstage, detail, and treble/bass extension when paired with HA-6A (compared to HA-3A).

HA-3A in comparison, would sound less transparent and more rounded through all spectrum, a little longer in decay and also a little narrower. In positive notes, HA-3A is more forgiving for various recordings.

I can enjoy both amp well, so subjective preference would play big role here. If I have to choose one (for Caldera), I would point my finger to HA-6A.
Had a chance to try HA-3A with Caldera to compare it to HA-6A? Sure HA-6A is more transparent? Since from the feedback to HA-6A vs 3A that I read, HA-3A strikes bit more detail, and transparency vs slightly more punch and wider stage with HA-6A.
 
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Feb 17, 2023 at 7:08 PM Post #801 of 3,766
After heard the pairing of Wavelight + Caldera with Cayin Amps today, my opinion is your DAC would "unleash" more potential in soundstage, detail, and treble/bass extension when paired with HA-6A (compared to HA-3A).

HA-3A in comparison, would sound less transparent and more rounded through all spectrum, a little longer in decay and also a little narrower. In positive notes, HA-3A is more forgiving for various recordings.

I can enjoy both amp well, so subjective preference would play big role here. If I have to choose one (for Caldera), I would point my finger to HA-6A.
Adding to this, I had the same impressions when I auditioned both models at the dealer’s showroom( with VO and Caldera); with the stock tubes. I believe both 3A and 6A can be winners on its own merits, when installed with the right NOS tubes. They will morph into different beasts. 😊

I chose 6A for the mentioned reasons and the flexibility with the TR/UL modes and vast variety of tube combinations / flavours it can offer. I guess no right or wrong decisions in deciding on a Cayin amp, depends on one’s needs and personal preference.
 
Feb 18, 2023 at 9:55 AM Post #802 of 3,766
So after bugging zach915m with way too many questions last week (thanks again Zach for all the help: you really went above and beyond!), I ordered a sliver HA-3A from ZMF and received it promptly this week.

I'm still getting used to its sound signature, and I have yet to do critical compare and contrast to my current main amp, the Ferrum Oor (I've been listening to one or the other amp in a general use sense before or after each other, not really doing a/b'ing of tracks or albums), but...

I like what I'm hearing. A lot.

That was apparent from the start (good thing too, as with almost all gear, if I don't like it within literally 30 seconds I'm never going to really like it) and I've only been more impressed with more listening.

I'll say more later, but a couple of key points:

The HA-3A sounds fantastic with my Odins (probably even better than my Oor, since it gives them more sound stage as it has more sound stage in toto, which is crucial for IEMs; gives more body to and smooths out their sometimes/somewhat thin and too forward mids/upper mids; and really ramps up their excellent bass response); this is a very good thing as I bought this for the purpose of using it in a 2nd bedroom set up with the Odins.

The HA-3A makes my HE1000V2's sing, something I did not expect it to have the power (on paper at least) to do. Compared to the Oor, it gives an even bigger stage to them, imbues them with more body/impact, and gives them more heft in the bass response as well.

The amp, of course, looks gorgeous and is functioning perfectly and there is no background noise at normal listening levels with the proper impedance selected/out used with any headphone I've tried (including the Odins with the 4.4 out; I have to go up to around 11 - 12 on the dial to hear any noise here and that's too loud for me!)

Music/sound is reproduced more realistically/naturally ("you are there/instruments sound how they sound" effect) than I've heard on a headphone amp, and there is a good sense of pace, energy, and vividness to the sound. Vocals and instruments can sound downright beautiful (though I was getting this with the Oor, just not as emphasized). This is an engaging, emotive amp that also has strong technicalities and is clear and resolving. It is simply, at least in my short assessment of it, a top tier amp. I'm very happy and already thinking about getting another HA-3A to replace or maybe complement the Oor in my main setup (also thinking of the 6A for that purpose since it has more power for any cans I might get in the future and the TR/UL feature is intriguing).
 
Feb 18, 2023 at 12:45 PM Post #803 of 3,766
My Cayin HA-3A also finally arrived and so far I really like what I hear!
Really powerfull amp, most headphones in my stable don't even go past 9 o'clock ... and I already "only" use RCA and even reduced output volume by 12 dB.
The HA-3A with stock tubes prolonges echoes and reverbs very nicely that even more adds up to perceived magnificent sound space.
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Feb 18, 2023 at 12:59 PM Post #804 of 3,766
So after bugging zach915m with way too many questions last week (thanks again Zach for all the help: you really went above and beyond!), I ordered a sliver HA-3A from ZMF and received it promptly this week.

I'm still getting used to its sound signature, and I have yet to do critical compare and contrast to my current main amp, the Ferrum Oor (I've been listening to one or the other amp in a general use sense before or after each other, not really doing a/b'ing of tracks or albums), but...

I like what I'm hearing. A lot.

That was apparent from the start (good thing too, as with almost all gear, if I don't like it within literally 30 seconds I'm never going to really like it) and I've only been more impressed with more listening.

I'll say more later, but a couple of key points:

The HA-3A sounds fantastic with my Odins (probably even better than my Oor, since it gives them more sound stage as it has more sound stage in toto, which is crucial for IEMs; gives more body to and smooths out their sometimes/somewhat thin and too forward mids/upper mids; and really ramps up their excellent bass response); this is a very good thing as I bought this for the purpose of using it in a 2nd bedroom set up with the Odins.

The HA-3A makes my HE1000V2's sing, something I did not expect it to have the power (on paper at least) to do. Compared to the Oor, it gives an even bigger stage to them, imbues them with more body/impact, and gives them more heft in the bass response as well.

The amp, of course, looks gorgeous and is functioning perfectly and there is no background noise at normal listening levels with the proper impedance selected/out used with any headphone I've tried (including the Odins with the 4.4 out; I have to go up to around 11 - 12 on the dial to hear any noise here and that's too loud for me!)

Music/sound is reproduced more realistically/naturally ("you are there/instruments sound how they sound" effect) than I've heard on a headphone amp, and there is a good sense of pace, energy, and vividness to the sound. Vocals and instruments can sound downright beautiful (though I was getting this with the Oor, just not as emphasized). This is an engaging, emotive amp that also has strong technicalities and is clear and resolving. It is simply, at least in my short assessment of it, a top tier amp. I'm very happy and already thinking about getting another HA-3A to replace or maybe complement the Oor in my main setup (also thinking of the 6A for that purpose since it has more power for any cans I might get in the future and the TR/UL feature is intriguing).
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Feb 18, 2023 at 2:30 PM Post #805 of 3,766
Had a chance to try HA-3A with Caldera to compare it to HA-6A? Sure HA-6A is more transparent? Since from the feedback to HA-6A vs 3A that I read, HA-3A strikes bit more detail, and transparency vs slightly more punch and wider stage with HA-6A.

Yes, I did extensive comparison between HA-3A, HA-6A and HA-300 II in the last 3 days. Sure, being more transparent is one of the most noticeable improvement from HA-3A, while the other most significant factor is soundstage. Actually, with standard tubes, HA-6A deliver more airy feel and push soundstage even bigger than HA-300 II.
Both HA-3A and HA-6A do punch really well. Definitely harder than their 300B brother.
 
Feb 18, 2023 at 3:29 PM Post #806 of 3,766
Yes, I did extensive comparison between HA-3A, HA-6A and HA-300 II in the last 3 days. Sure, being more transparent is one of the most noticeable improvement from HA-3A, while the other most significant factor is soundstage. Actually, with standard tubes, HA-6A deliver more airy feel and push soundstage even bigger than HA-300 II.
Both HA-3A and HA-6A do punch really well. Definitely harder than their 300B brother.
What tubes in the 300MKII?

I really like the HA 6A, an excellent buy and great sound. They of do sound a little different, but IMO, not a lot, between the 300MKII and the 6A. Right now using the Elrog ER and GEC 6J5G X 4. The 6J5 coming before the 6SN7 with the 76 coming before the 6J5. GEC sound extremely good with lots of air and excellent spacial presentation.

In the 6A I am using some Flying C SED EL34s and some ultra rare 7318 (12AU7 type) tubes. The 7318 are a 20,000 hour tube.

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Feb 18, 2023 at 3:45 PM Post #807 of 3,766
Yes, I did extensive comparison between HA-3A, HA-6A and HA-300 II in the last 3 days. Sure, being more transparent is one of the most noticeable improvement from HA-3A, while the other most significant factor is soundstage. Actually, with standard tubes, HA-6A deliver more airy feel and push soundstage even bigger than HA-300 II.
Both HA-3A and HA-6A do punch really well. Definitely harder than their 300B brother.
So to sum it up. HA-3A and HA-6A got a similar punch, HA-3A felt more transparent, but HA-6A has vastly bigger soundstage? My idea is to combine HA-3A with Holo Spring 3 KTE which is known for adding really big stage, maybe this could balance it out. I really dont want to switch to HA-6A since the tube cost are significantly higher than for HA-3A and I enjoy rolling tubes for 3A a lot :)
 
Feb 18, 2023 at 4:32 PM Post #808 of 3,766
So to sum it up. HA-3A and HA-6A got a similar punch, HA-3A felt more transparent, but HA-6A has vastly bigger soundstage? My idea is to combine HA-3A with Holo Spring 3 KTE which is known for adding really big stage, maybe this could balance it out. I really dont want to switch to HA-6A since the tube cost are significantly higher than for HA-3A and I enjoy rolling tubes for 3A a lot :)
A lot depends upon the tubes.
 
Feb 19, 2023 at 4:24 AM Post #810 of 3,766
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